should local djs/producer aim for a local sound?

[Mirsha]

Local DJs should do whatever the **** they are into and leave it at that. They'd be a bit shit playing music they weren't really into for the sake of people who wanted to hear a particular sound.

[Martin Dust]

I've always done what the **** I've wanted to, still do.

[dirty_bass]

This is a LOCAL club for LOCAL music!!!

[The Divide]

This is a LOCAL club for LOCAL music!!!

LOL!! I wasn so tempted to do that been a fan

[The Germ]

I've always done what the **** I've wanted to, still do.

exactly :clap:

[tocsin]

I don't agree with you RiotSound.
I think your debate has more of a prevelance to hip hop and separation of regional sounds. I don't think it sound be brought into techno based on the facts that techno is just such a universal genre. If that was the case Samuel L. Sessions wouldn't be making damn good latin tinged techno. I know it's an example but I am sure you get my point. Regional sounds limit. And for as long as I can remember the best Nyc dj's were the ones who branched out from trying to stick to a localized sound and brought some diff flavor to the table.
Trust me I remeber robbin' people at Nasa all the time and that's how I got into techno to begin with.

Dude, the regional shit is in everything. It's not unique to any genre. But, it is always the result of a marketing gimmick. The whole regional shit with hip-hop was a marketing gimmick used to boost sales which some morons took too far. But, regardless, a handful have capitalized on it all the way. The same shit goes with techno only, fortunately for techno, I am not aware of anyone getting shot over an East Hemisphere vs. West Hemisphere rivalry. ;)

[SlavikSvensk]

i don't think there is so much of a local rivalry in techno. i mean, there are people who dig a local sound (which often arise more from a small number of producer/djs making music together, not from some conscious desire to sound like a particular place), and there will always be arguments along the lines of "detroit techno vs. swedish techno vs. uk acid techno vs. congolese schranz vs whatever," but now i think these labels are all pretty much existential...

...you don't need to be from detroit to make detroit techno, for example...

[tocsin]

Try getting bookings as a hardcore DJ and you will see some serious rivalries.

[Patrick DSP]

in the past, it's easy to have a local sound, and to go GA-GA over international stars for bringing in new and unheard of music to your local club. but the internet and the bubble bursting has make distributers look far and wide to get their music everywhere. and on line shopping and chatting has closed that gap more. no longer do we have to sort through 100000000x vinyls at the local shop to find what we need, we can scan through each mp3 and database on our internet and order exactly what we want. it's both a blessing and a curse. this is why it's not like it was before. people that change and adapt and learn to stay ahead of the game, will do that. people who argue about changing and accepting what's going on will fade away. play your sound, play it well, play it better than anyone else.

[BRADLEE]

Try getting bookings as a hardcore DJ and you will see some serious rivalries.

That is quite true right there though. I have a few homies linked with H2OH and they tell me these horror stories all the time.

[RIOTSOUND]

Look...

This is all I am saying..

YOU KNOW HOW THEY SAY...

"People From India are Rude"

You know why?

Because in India the are SOOO many people and its SOOO crowded on the streets.. that to Navigate through your everyday life... YOU HAVE TO BE RUDE...

PEOPLE FROM THE COUntryside always tend to be more "friendly" becasue they have FAR LESS to deal with and they do not need to
"COP an Attitude" to get through their everyday lives

THE SAME Goes for NEW YORKERS... Many people say we ARE RUDE...
But its BECAUSE we LIVE in a HUGE Crowded CITY... we have no choice but to be that way... Thats our natural state of being.

SOOOOO

Are you guys saying....THAT... "in no way" should the sound coming out of any particular City "IN A GENERAL SENSE" reflect the attitude of that city.. I THINK THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE...

I mean... why do they call it... CHICAGO HOUSE, DETROIT TECHNO
Chicago House reflects the attitude of Chicago...

AS FAR as REGIONAL SOUNDS and Hip-Hop

That is NOT a PLOY AT ALL! I REPEAT... Its not a ploy in any way shape or form... LK, you are refering to the EAST COAST vs WEST BEEF... But I would be careful to charecterize it as a marketing ploy... IT was more like a FUED... PEOPLE DIED.... GREAT ARTISTS DIED... that was not a ploy in any way shape or form

HIP-HOP Comes from all different LOCales in the USA and the SOUNDS are ALL Distictly different and EXCLUSIVE to THEIR LOCALES

When someone Starts making a "SOUND" that is DISTICTLY from ANOTHER LOCALE than they are... They Risk losing all Credibility overnight.... I am not saying Techno is that way... But Hip-Hop is that way 100% percent... Shit, 300%

NYC represents one sound such as
GANGSTARR, RAKIM, KRS ONE, NAS, MOBB DEEEP etc...

California is another SOund
NWA, SNOOP, XZIBIT, WC AND MADD CIRCLE, MACK 10 etc

The Midwest Represent another sound completely
BONE THUGS and HARMONY etc...

THE South is ANother Sound Completely
SCARFACRE, MASTER P, MYSTICAL, SilK THA SHOCKER etc...

ENGLAD Has its own Hip-Hop SOUND
THE STREETS and The Garage That they are doing now

So again... I am from NYC... when I play my records...I naturally want to bring the BattleStyle attitude into it... Not because someone told me to... But why the hell would I want to bring something else into it... I am Proud of where I am from and I want to represent that... That is all

Techno is a global sound...YES... But to me... I cannot wholly respect a "Global sound"... A Global sound is a MAINSTEAM Sound... I like Underground Music... Underground Music comes from LOCALES and reflects CERTAIN ATTITUDES... thats why its Underground... its NOT global...

It may REACH a Global Audience.... BUT Hip-hOp From NYC is so Distictly NYC that it would be impossible to ever say it was from somewhere else...

I know Hip-Hop and Techno are very much different but I listen to both so I have a slighty different perspective on all of this than some of you have

[Ritzi Lee]

Hmmm let's think about this.

Amsterdam was always influenced by funk and soul.
But also heavily on the 60 / 70s Woodstock sound.
I think it's not about the records you play.
It's about how you play them out. Maybe I coudn't hear it myself, but a lot of times people tell me they really could hear i'm from Amsterdam.

When I hear the Space DJz or Ade Fenton, you just know they are true UK artists.

The same thing for Jeff Mills; even when he plays too european (by some people), the way of playing just sounds like Detroit.

When you hear Laurent Garnier play, you'll hear a lot of harmony and romance coming by. That's the true French feeling.

And so on.....

Not yet talking about the Italian DJ's.



Some NYC sounds for me: Steve Stoll, Damon Wild, Joey Beltram.
About Joey Beltram: That was somebody who wasn't excepted in NYC, because his sound was too strange and hard. But before it was being populair in Europe, you just can't forget it was invented in NYC. So all the hard techno we're playing now are offsprings of the sound of Joey Beltram. Think about it....

[The Germ]

2nd century, BC. The Hydraulis was invented by Ktesibios sometime in the second century B.C. Ktesibios, the son of a Greek barber, was fascinated by pneumatics and wrote an early treatise on the use of hydraulic systems for powering mechanical devices. His most famous invention, the Hydraulis, used water to regulate the air pressure inside an organ. A small cistern called the pnigeus was turned upside down and placed inside a barrel of water. A set of pumps forced air into the pnigeus, forming an air reservoir, and that air was channeled up into the organ's action.


without that guy we would all be ****ed.

[RIOTSOUND]

2nd century, BC. The Hydraulis was invented by Ktesibios sometime in the second century B.C. Ktesibios, the son of a Greek barber, was fascinated by pneumatics and wrote an early treatise on the use of hydraulic systems for powering mechanical devices. His most famous invention, the Hydraulis, used water to regulate the air pressure inside an organ. A small cistern called the pnigeus was turned upside down and placed inside a barrel of water. A set of pumps forced air into the pnigeus, forming an air reservoir, and that air was channeled up into the organ's action.


without that guy we would all be ****.

AGREED ;)

Just like I said... without Kool Herc .. Hip-Hop and the artform and popularity of DJing would never have taken on the form we see it in today

[RDR]

Gotta do what your insides and the voices tell you to do

:clap: :clap:

I dont know about that chief - what if they'll telling you to

KILL KILL KILL!

[RDR]

2nd century, BC. The Hydraulis was invented by Ktesibios sometime in the second century B.C. Ktesibios, the son of a Greek barber, was fascinated by pneumatics and wrote an early treatise on the use of hydraulic systems for powering mechanical devices. His most famous invention, the Hydraulis, used water to regulate the air pressure inside an organ. A small cistern called the pnigeus was turned upside down and placed inside a barrel of water. A set of pumps forced air into the pnigeus, forming an air reservoir, and that air was channeled up into the organ's action.


without that guy we would all be ****.

AGREED ;)

Just like I said... without Kool Herc .. Hip-Hop and the artform and popularity of DJing would never have taken on the form we see it in today

Nah, i reckon that aint right, someone would have stepped up. in our time-line this is true, without the originators, we would have nothing. But it presumes that without that specific person the 'whatever' wouldnt happen. Kool herc wasnt exactly a rocket scientist, or a rare breed. There would have been someone else, another history perhaps, another way at looking at things.

IMHO i dont spend time marvelling over these people, as if you want a to puch on into the future it's necessary to look at what they did, and then move forward.

@Martin Dust - Good on ya kidda, damn right.

[RIOTSOUND]

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[JohnnySideways]

i think a lot of it is to do with hype/publicity i.e. london acid techno,detroit techno wotever..in the sense that a bunch of people livin in an area want to get thier sound out there so they/someone give it a new name to get a buzz going about it...or summit like that

[SlavikSvensk]

i think a lot of it is to do with hype/publicity i.e. london acid techno,detroit techno wotever..in the sense that a bunch of people livin in an area want to get thier sound out there so they/someone give it a new name to get a buzz going about it...or summit like that

local sounds developed because people went to the same record stores, played int eh same clubs, and got together to make music.

now people mostly buy records online and can make music together over the internet, so...

[dirty_bass]

. So all the hard techno we're playing now are offsprings of the sound of Joey Beltram. Think about it....

Not so.
I`d think a lot of the hard sounds are down to some people having a rock, thrash or metal past.
Not even beginning to mention the industrial pioneers of the late 70`s and early 80`s
Plus punk for the scid techno lot etc.
Beltram has zero meaning to a lot of people I know who make hard techno, their sound comes out of the free party hardcore, that came from jungle et