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    ....but lets not forget Hansel and Gretel

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    In that story, I'm just trying to figure out what guy would best fit the role of Pinnochio. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
    In that story, I'm just trying to figure out what guy would best fit the role of Pinnochio. ;)
    joey beltram?
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    :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
    In that story, I'm just trying to figure out what guy would best fit the role of Pinnochio. ;)
    joey beltram?
    yeah :lol:
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
    It's not like Elstak was the first to run drums through distortion. ;)

    please be 100% sure that you are right about this. ;)
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    Dude, people distorted drums long before "gabber" existed. Either way, the biggest problem I have with giving people credit with that is because it's a mix of technology, not a signature innovation gained through practice. Someone takes a TR-909 by Roland and hooks it up to a guitar distortion pedal made by another company. It's not a truly personal touch/innovation at that point. Hell, before I was even into techno, I was running a drum machine through distortion for metal stuff I was doing with a roommate. It's not like we credit the first guy to hook up an equalizer on a 4 track when making music. ;) Due to the technology, it's just something that's bound to happen. If anything, the creator of the technology should be getting the credit. Whether Paul was the first to do it in techno, I don't know.
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    "hard techno...(deep mechanized breathing)...i am your father..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
    "hard techno...(deep mechanized breathing)...i am your father..."
    :clap:

    This conversation is fun. Trying to pin down a musical historical influence is like trying to herd fog.

    remember history is always written by the victors?

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    And theres me thinking it was Micheal Jackson who wrote History.

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    [quote="SlavikSvensk"]yeah indiana sucks! my least favorite state in the north...quote]

    hey now! i can say that, but no one else can! ;) it's like i can call my mom a bitch, but no one else is allowed or i will hurt them! ;)

    anyhow, the fact that it is generally closed minded and boring has been really lubricating the creativity here since no one wants to leave their studios to go deal with assholes anymore. there is good music being made right here in the heartland due to the sheer boredom factor. :)

    and i had to add that the djs from the midwest USA are still some of the best i have heard anywhere...hands down. i know people will hate me for that, but when you are in the middle of nowhere, you have to be better than everyone else to even get a chance to get heard.

    let the hip hop regional battle begin... ;p

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    hey...i have had to drive through indiana WAY too many times...hence my dislike of it! all that corn...all those strip mall towns...dan quayle! ;)

    agreed on midwestern djs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
    Dude, people distorted drums long before "gabber" existed. Either way, the biggest problem I have with giving people credit with that is because it's a mix of technology, not a signature innovation gained through practice. Someone takes a TR-909 by Roland and hooks it up to a guitar distortion pedal made by another company. It's not a truly personal touch/innovation at that point. Hell, before I was even into techno, I was running a drum machine through distortion for metal stuff I was doing with a roommate. It's not like we credit the first guy to hook up an equalizer on a 4 track when making music. ;) Due to the technology, it's just something that's bound to happen. If anything, the creator of the technology should be getting the credit. Whether Paul was the first to do it in techno, I don't know.
    i can only think of one solution to the argument between tocsin and ritzi...

    ...dance off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
    i can only think of one solution to the argument between tocsin and ritzi...

    ...dance off!
    *Breakers revenge starts to play*

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    Quote Originally Posted by massplanck
    And theres me thinking it was Micheal Jackson who wrote History.
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
    i can only think of one solution to the argument between tocsin and ritzi...
    ...dance off!
    Well, unless the judging criteria would be based on comedy, I likely wouldn't stand a chance in hell. ;)

    But, seriously, do we credit the guy who added vinegar to fish and chips as an innovator that completely changed and influenced the course of the culinary experience? ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    I havent had the old Five Laughing Smilies in a row for while now. I must be doing something right! :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
    i can only think of one solution to the argument between tocsin and ritzi...
    ...dance off!
    Well, unless the judging criteria would be based on comedy, I likely wouldn't stand a chance in hell. ;)

    But, seriously, do we credit the guy who added vinegar to fish and chips as an innovator that completely changed and influenced the course of the culinary experience? ;)
    thats funny!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin

    Well, unless the judging criteria would be based on comedy, I likely wouldn't stand a chance in hell. ;)

    But, seriously, do we credit the guy who added vinegar to fish and chips as an innovator that completely changed and influenced the course of the culinary experience? ;)
    i think joey beltram is more like the first guy to put mustard on a hot dog
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    So is the guy who made that sweet onion/tomato mix sauce like the first "intelligent" mixer of hot dog flavor? ;)
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