The Old Techno Guys - Hmmm - Are They Loosing It???

[The Overfiend]

I guess its like survival of the fittest even with music, the younger producers have more energy in them where the older ones look for something different and get pushed to the back

Damn Right :!:

[Mirsha]

The above sounds correct. But tell me hwho doees diecide upon which string is the correct one? You can'y tell, you just have to bree the ****ers dn let natural selction take over.

[MARKEG]

mirsha, go to bed!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sash]

i think the older guys have lost it a bit but when they really push themselves, they're hard to beat.

[tekara]

it might also come down to the fact that its not so much that the old DJ's have lost their touch, but probably the fact that theres NEW young blood that also want to break into the international scene like the DJ's they used to look up to and make the most solid tracks ever because they have a true passion for it. As a result, it may seem like a lot of young bloods are making better tracks probably because they desperately want to get known and signed.

Sadly, in many cases its when they do succeed and break out into the market and reach a certain level of stardom that they begin to wane off a bit partly due to the idea that theyve now made it and dont need to try as hard, or maybe because their hefty DJ'ing schedules prohibits them from sitting a week at home and hammering out a future classic. You see it alot in the hiphop production community. 8th Wonder making dope beats before. He blows up and gets big, and now dont make good beats anymore. Not everyone can be as consistent as Dj Premier.

This is my opinion of course, and there are always exceptions to rules. Look at Oliver Ho. I think he is definately an exception.

[GothamGrooves.com]

I'm just feeling this recently. Techno has always been about all the obvious guns. The Dave Clarke's, the Jeff Mills, etc etc. Well, I can help but feeling there's a whole new generation coming up, the Wittekinds, the Amok's, TBH alot of ppl that post here on the forum, especially in the production forum section. And this feeling is more powerful than anything I've ever witnessed before.

Do you think that the big guys are just loosing it on the dancefloor? Are they not seeing what is making ppl go nuts?

You know, I played some Ben Sims to 10,000 ppl recently as I was building my set in Eastern Europe, everyone was just chilled, and then BOOM I played some Eric Sneo and christ, the whole party went off (Sorry Ben, that's the way I felt and it's my opinion eh ;)). I love Sims, I love Mills, but to the next gen, I feel the whole old techno sound is just nostalga. The kids ie the future, just don't want this.

And come on, was techno not all about the future??!!!!

Gimme your thoughts..

To a deg I think your right... I wouldnt go so far as to put down sims, but a lot of the old school kats, ie mills and such.
A) Are not playing the same way they used to unfortunatley
&
B) I think every1 is just soo used to them that there isnt the same magic left in their sets
Not to say they are bad, quite the contrary they are awesome...
But I def see the newer blood pushing the boundaries more in terms of the tunes they play & produce.
Also the crowds havent seen them perform 20000x so there is still mystery in their sets...
thats my opinion, if that makes sense hehe

[Little Fella!]

Cheers for the comment earlier Mindful!

There are alot of people on this forum who are well up on knowledge and thinking - I wish I'd signed up ages ago!

As to your question about what kind of focal point we are thinking about, I'll post it up in the 'Techno- a new movement' thread as it is more appropriate there...

[GothamGrooves.com]

The above sounds correct. But tell me hwho doees diecide upon which string is the correct one? You can'y tell, you just have to bree the **** dn let natural selction take over.

Shouldnt you be in church?

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[jon connor]

is it a lack of insperation because i think sometimes they have been down so many roads they run out of options like you mark i fully repect the big guns for there services to techno but do find they can go off the rails , mabey they are travelling so much they dont get time to think hahahahahahaha :lol: but yea i think they do need a good old kick up the ass somtimes ,because we all no wot they are capable of, just somtimes releases can be a let down and also sometimes there performance anyways the guys are awsome and i hope many see this post and have a good old think and find some determination and insperation in there own ways, pull 1 outa the bag so to speak. it sure would be a good thing for techno. :lol:

[G-BO]

i think this 5 page conversation has evolved into nothing

dont understand why carolla, clarke, mills etc are the main issue of this supposed techno discussion

especially when its being backed up by the fact that wittekend and amok make better andmore refined techno music...i really do disgaree with this :lol:

[gumpy green]

you just have to listen to a set from some of the young shranz djs to hear how good they are,.

2hr of drum loops put through as much distrtion as possible. and throwing in great samples over thse beats like that shranz on me and shranz slippy. wondeful stuff.

much better than stuff that was out on purpose maker/search etc......those tunes are far to clean and musically oritated.

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[davethedrummer]

i think people here are just talking about producers who get a bit softer as they get older.
well that is quite often true...
and maybe some older guys don't bang it like they used to
but musicianship stays with you all your life
it doesn't rub off ...or get used up as you get older
i think some of the older guys have just changed their syle
and for all the audience they've lost they probably gained the same amount of people who are into their newer sound. ( beyer for example)
so no the older guys haven't lost it in general
they've just changed , probably aware of the fact that there's a lot of new guys who play banging , so they've moved to something else
nothing wrong with progression.

[machina]

I think it's important to separate performance/playing out from production skills - good producers obviously evolve with time and you may or may not like it, but as Henry said, musicianship stays with you forever... however, as you get older, performance and playing out 3-4 times a week gets draining and boring - the enthusiasm disappears and there's no way to hide it as a performer - it really comes through to the audience and if the boredom becomes contagious.

machina

[tocsin]

If you truly enjoy what you do, the enthusiasm never dies.

[jon connor]

i think this 5 page conversation has evolved into nothing

dont understand why carolla, clarke, mills etc are the main issue of this supposed techno discussion

especially when its being backed up by the fact that wittekend and amok make better andmore refined techno music...i really do disgaree with this :lol:

me to on the artists named i played out with amok a few week ago and yea a great guy proper nice dude , but beeing an old school type of guy i found myself thinking everything sounded the same a well rehearsed set on cd decks that i probably could teach my 4 year old son in a matter af days no offence amok you are a great guy but cd decks just dident do it for me as dident the 1 loop techno mixed so fast it was inposible to make a mistake. but then again these guys are doing great things for techno and also playing rolls of the pide piper to a younger generation, so on this issue i think some of us old school geezers should bite our bottom lips a bit, they are doing a great job. ;)

[gunjack]

man i think you have to look at the bigger picture. who wants to go bang bang bang 24 7 365? i just finished a very hard piece for a german label and some experimental soul stuff for gunjack 04 b sides. did things from house, disco, ambient, experimental, jazz, techno, super hard techno and wierd electro tracks all in a one week session. now it is just about finding homes for each track and hoping that people catch on to the diversity going on here.

[gumpy green]

man i think you have to look at the bigger picture. who wants to go bang bang bang 24 7 365? i just finished a very hard piece for a german label and some experimental soul stuff for gunjack 04 b sides. did things from house, disco, ambient, experimental, jazz, techno, super hard techno and wierd electro tracks all in a one week session. now it is just about finding homes for each track and hoping that people catch on to the diversity going on here.

too many folks nowadays.....ther the folks that dont full understand music if you ask me.

as soon as they hear it aint going bang bang they dismiss it straight off.

ther loss tho....

if they think shranz on me is better music than radio head -karma police then...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[nihilist]

i don't know about loosing it, i think the've evolved into different forms off 'techno' which doesn't reallt fit into a club enviroment where the punters won't to 'avit.

[jon connor]

man i think you have to look at the bigger picture. who wants to go bang bang bang 24 7 365? i just finished a very hard piece for a german label and some experimental soul stuff for gunjack 04 b sides. did things from house, disco, ambient, experimental, jazz, techno, super hard techno and wierd electro tracks all in a one week session. now it is just about finding homes for each track and hoping that people catch on to the diversity going on here.

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best thing ive heard all week fairdooze brian. i am hearing you man ,i like this attititude bang on man ;)

[reality]

this is true.

i believe the more seasoned producers/djs are giving the people what they always give'em and thats not what they want to hear from them. i think the people that pay to see alot of the guys/gals are paying to hear them drop the new hot stuff, the stuff they say "see they always drop the hot shit",

but yes i also believe its the newer people that are the ones dropping the new or more different things and the payees arent aware that there has to be a future generation of producers/djs. they think these producers are everliving and wont ever retire...not saying they should but its time for the next breed, and still if any of the older cats wanted to do something with me id be flattered and would oblige in a heartbeat