is it a lack of insperation because i think sometimes they have been down so many roads they run out of options like you mark i fully repect the big guns for there services to techno but do find they can go off the rails , mabey they are travelling so much they dont get time to think hahahahahahaha :lol: but yea i think they do need a good old kick up the ass somtimes ,because we all no wot they are capable of, just somtimes releases can be a let down and also sometimes there performance anyways the guys are awsome and i hope many see this post and have a good old think and find some determination and insperation in there own ways, pull 1 outa the bag so to speak. it sure would be a good thing for techno. :lol: