Yeah, I see your point there mate.

To be honest, a lot of what I feel about Goodgreef stems from running a night in the same city as them for 12 months, and seeing them gradually steal ideas from ourselves and Binary as they saw their crowds falling and people turning to hardstyle from traditional Goodgreef territory i.e. UK hard trance and hard house.

I could cope with that if they were doing it right, but they just aren't. They seem to think that by booking one hardstyle DJ from Europe and filling the rest of the line-up with the usual shit they are doing enough, and in a way they are as British hardstyle fans are seduced by the opportunity to see a big name. The problem with this is that the smaller hardstyle nights in manchester (of which at one point last year there was 6) suffered drops in attendance as the crowds they were taking from Goodgreef were lured back by the big name bookings, who they wanted to see more than the local talent that was (and still is) coming through. For such talent to come through though we need the smaller nights who are prepared to book them, rather than a scene raped by the superclubs that are jsut interested in booking the established stars from Europe.