How important is Adam Beyer to techno?

[Mindful]

i happen to think that one aspect of his stuff has been picked up on and copied ad nauseum...and i'm curious why that is.

Drum based techno. More emphasis on the rhythm and grittiness, as opposed to melody and massive hooklines initially, and as that style became more popular, 'bigger' tunes began to appear.. some for the newer converts to techno to latch onto, while still keeping the original fans happy, that's how Beyer elevated above everyone else. While the Drumcode sound was often slated for replaying itself a lot, Beyer did step out of the mould on occasion, on the likes of Svek, Rotation or wherever, next thing you've got Mr.Sliff re-interperting E-Dancer, DC 20.5, "Re-manipulated" remix and the whole Beyer/Drumcode thing has become legendary.

I think also that the sharpness and loudness of Beyer's productions made them attractive for people to mix, and on a 4 track ep for instance, all of the tracks would be instantly mixable. No fade ins, few breaks, and a pretty incessant energy all the way through. When you bought a Beyer or Drumcode style record you knew what to expect, but the difference was he was actually going somewhere with it and managed to make it last for a lot of years. Now you often get a record that in theory is made in the same way, but by a producer who is not truly inspired and is merely putting out something, just to put something out. I have most of the Drumcode releases, and quite a lot of them stand out in their own way.

If I can remember back, the thing that grabbed me most about Beyer's tracks were quite literally, the impact of the kick... as well as the rhythm and swing he applied to it. It was unique.

Im starting to think your one of the people who talk sense on here mr Sunil :clap:

[The Overfiend]

Hey, I don`t like Mars Volta, or Metallica. Anyone else wanna spit a dummy?

Sacrilege

[The Overfiend]

mastered the art of compression................

compression isn't really an art and if it is (or at least if people think it is)... we're all in big trouble. i mean setting a high ratio, pushing the gain and slapping a fast attack on a bass line or lower mids isn't anything praiseworthy (i'd rate a final mixdown and equalization much higher than compression. anyways the real compressing really goes down at the cut imo). these are things one would think you should know before even setting your ideas to the canvas. post has nothing to do with pre imo. so many times i've heard people post produce their track before the the pre production has even been scrutinized.

back to the topic.. to me adam made some really good tracks (conform 12 anyone?)...and has proven diverse in influence and as far as dj'ing goes he's definitely one to check out. whether he deserves exaltation.. eh i'm not so sure. he gets respect any how.

dude, I hate to point a finger at you, but if that`s all you think compression is, then you don`t knbow much about it.

do you want me to go into what i know then? in a thread about adam beyer? please.

quit hanging off my johnson bro

[fitipaldi]

I got mills tracks, and a few albums, but I didn`t pay for them, and I don`t ever listen to them.

i'll take these off your hands mate if you dislike them so much ;)

[basslinejunkie]

Ahhh but what about beyer.
Obviously opinion here thinks he made contribution to techno at all.

thats who i was talking about

[gunjack]

10 PAGES ON BEYER'S "INFLUENCE"?! DUDE ONLY CAME OUT IN WHAT, 95, 96? I DONT EVEN KNOW, BUT THE FACT IS THAT IF WE ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY SOMETHING AS GENERIC AS BEYER RECORDS, THE SCOPE OF VISION IS NOT VERY BROAD. I TRY NJOT TO LISTEN TO TECHNO AT ALL, TAKE INFLUENCES FROM ETHNIC MUSIC, JAZZ, ROCK, FUNK, BUT F U C K "EMULATING" TECHNO!!!!

[SlavikSvensk]

10 PAGES ON BEYER'S "INFLUENCE"?! DUDE ONLY CAME OUT IN WHAT, 95, 96? I DONT EVEN KNOW, BUT THE FACT IS THAT IF WE ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY SOMETHING AS GENERIC AS BEYER RECORDS, THE SCOPE OF VISION IS NOT VERY BROAD. I TRY NJOT TO LISTEN TO TECHNO AT ALL, TAKE INFLUENCES FROM ETHNIC MUSIC, JAZZ, ROCK, FUNK, BUT F U C K "EMULATING" TECHNO!!!!

man, i respect you as a producer, but i really don't think you get what is meant by influence here. who is talking about emulating adam beyer? if you read the posts, especially mine, carefully, you'll see that i (and others) clearly state that emulating adam beyer's drumcode records has often produced mediocre, throwaway drumtracks.

what my question was is why have adam beyer's records been so frequently ripped off, copied, emulated, whatever? you say "f*ck emulating techno" and take influences from other places. fine. i agree with you, though maybe in less strident terms. i'm more likely to get psyched to make tracks after listening to the bar-kays, steve reich or fela kuti than drumcode or purpose maker. but that does not negate the fact that mainstream techno changed after adam beyer (and some contemporaries).

i like a lot of his records. not necessarily the ones on drumcode though. but that's just my personal taste and not the point here. whether you like him or not is really not the point at all.

[miles]

do you take influences or just sample them? ;) ...

[miles]

gunsack that is!

[Joseph Isaac]

I`m off to kill myself.

LOL! Steve, come on now, its not that serious, bro!!

[SlavikSvensk]

hmm...my last post...one line should read "who is talking about how people should emulate adam beyer?" not "who is talking about emulating adam beyer?"

[dirty_bass]

I`m off to kill myself.

LOL! Steve, come on now, its not that serious, bro!!

HAHAHAHA
ummm
what can I say

Caffeine is bad.

[The Overfiend]

gunsack that is!

chill

[temp_er]

i find him to have been a key figure for many things firm and pumping in techno until several years ago. his production used to be bliss, live mixing hard, fluent and precise, and bottom line - it used to really be fun hearing him live.
the question now should be how well do you think he'll make it in the progressive trance scene given his recent work... :lol:

[massplanck]

Im starting to think your one of the people who talk sense on here mr Sunil :clap:

Sunil is the truth.

[gunjack]

gunsack that is!

dude, anybody else ever notice how hard this kid is riding my nuts? look at the forum for miles posts, and you will see that the only time he posts is to talk shit to gumbo. not that i mind that much, but it does seem odd that that is all this fool gots to say no? :clap:

[Heroes]

important enough to generate 155 reply posts to date on the topic

[gunjack]

damn glenn! way to bring the thread back just to say "i told you so" ;) snyway bro, i kno i am being rough on yer boy, but i am just trying to challenge these kids to be creative about what they consider "important influence"

[SlavikSvensk]

damn glenn! way to bring the thread back just to say "i told you so" ;) snyway bro, i kno i am being rough on yer boy, but i am just trying to challenge these kids to be creative about what they consider "important influence"

it's baaaaaaaaack!

you still don't get what i meant by influence... ;)

[fresh_an_funky_design]

it was a beyer mix that really changed my tastes from d'n'b to techno. tune wise he has released some absolute belters. Remainings 3 when it came out was amazing. Some of his more recent stuff im not as into but the guy is a legend and was one of the main men in techno.