The MP3 question.

[lunatrick]

I don't believe the practise is that widespread - how many people are going to bother recording a record, so they can give it away for nothing on p2p?

Pick a new techno release
wait about a week
and search on soulseek
you`ll find it

must admit I've never done it - and I'm suprised - mostly use soulseek for mixes..there's some sad and wierd people out there.............

[djfurness]

i buy absolute shedloads of vinyl and i do use the odd cd as well....mainly for tunes i havent been able to buy for whatever reason....its no argument i suppose.....but for every roni size track ive downloaded....theres 3 records of his in my box.....its impossible to be able to afford to buy every type of music i like to listen to.....but i do try and balance it out and i contribute as much as i can back into the scenes i listen to....if i get paid £800 in a month....guarenteed £200 of it goes on vinyl....the rest on rent etc....i cant actually contribute more....
again though i mainly use cds for classic that are unavailable to buy anymore and for tunes that have been available for download for free (theres plenty about on artists sites etc!)

[RDR]

SKILL and DEVOTION and PASSION shines through 100% of the time in music. DON T even worry about it. use it for what it is if you think it will improve your sound, but don't worry about it.:

:clap:

Thats EXACTLY the way i view it.

there aint no plug in for passion or devotion. word.

for my 2p, there isnt a substitute for enjoying yourself behind a pair of decks. screw three decks, screw technical sasha maven style innovation i still prefer to see someone play who ENJOYS what they do.

As for the MP3 issue, im in the camp that says it doesnt matter what format you play in , if you can make it yours then its yours. Yes - style matters, content matters, programming i totally agree is a beast!.

I love vinyl - the warmth is perfect, fat and in perfect harmony with the human ear.

long live vinyl - although hoping it will... im not sure.

I look at things like this - music is eternal. recorded music has really only been around for the last 100 yrs or so. of that 100 years it really is only in the last 20 years that its been available to the common or poor person. music delivery is changing... the way that people listen and pay for music is changing.

im not in the know enough to see what the result will be, but im pretty sure that the DJ will change - we have to - change = motion.

i got more to add, but i'dlike to hear what others have to say.

[SlavikSvensk]

technology changes things, though it's not necessarily good or bad, just different.

there's room for people spinning vinyl AND ableton sets.

why should there only be room for one?

[dan the acid man]

honestly mate don't worry about it. these guys will be in and out like fashion. dont' blame ableton, don't blame MP3's. ANYONE CANN BEATMATCH. it's not about this, it's about programming, it's about dropping the right sound at the right moment. i play 100% vinyl still when i play out, but let me on ableton for an hour and do the same thing and I WOULD get the same response. why? it's not ableton. it's the way you portray your music, the passion you show and the way you present your sound. i remember when ppl looked down their noses at CD's and then now they're everywhere.

technology doesn't scare me, but it scares too many ppl, even though they dont admit it. so they slag it. but SKILL and DEVOTION and PASSION shines through 100% of the time in music. DON T even worry about it. use it for what it is if you think it will improve your sound, but don't worry about it.

That post is so on point you could prick yourself with it.
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ouch, anyone got a plaster, this post says it all :clap:

[jesus]

Thing is. Its probably about time every techno track in history was put into a huge databass where people downloaded a track for say 99c. I dunno something like an underground itunes with every release ever available.

#yes!. they're doing something similar on doa, linking with some established online mp3 place .check it-
http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread...p;pagenumber=1

maybe mark could try and hook something like this up, for the new site.

[tocsin]

This topic has come up too much for me to do another long rant about it. I have a different view than a number of people here I guess (at least those who are vocal). I'm fine with people who download my own music or others and play it out. Would I prefer it the other way? Absolutely. But, I absolutely love the advancements in technology that have been made it possible for me to be able to distribute my own music. and listen to music of others, without having to deal with the same bottom line business oriented channels of the past. For all the nay saying, MP3 and other technological advancements have pushed us forward. If techno is as dying as a number of the people who like to piss on advancements like MP3 say it is, well, MP3 and the net is one of the reasons why the industry hasn't been able to shove us into a shelf of obscurity. We no longer need the ways and channels of the past to keep us alive or accessable. We can do what we do, middle fingers blazing, without any industry suit's help or promotional pushes. Take the positives with the negatives and realise we have a good thing.

[Komplex]

www.foryourears.com seems to be well on its way with the whole online download thing and its mainly techno and breaks oriented.

I still call for the database idea that links releases to where they are available online (and physically). I would do it myself but I'm no net coding guru... The internet can be used so well for cataloging and hunting down music...

Is anyone chummy with the guys who run www.discogs.com?

They have everything in place for such a thing. It would only be a matter of taking the base code, sexing it up and changing a bit of text around. Information is contributed by label owners, shop owners and anyone who joins up then gets verified by the mods before being posted online.

Once the structure is in place, it doesn't take much to add an entry. A couple of minutes tops. It would consist of non hyped/promotional release info (such as name, tracks, date released, credits etc) and store locations/urls.

[SlavikSvensk]

This topic has come up too much for me to do another long rant about it. I have a different view than a number of people here I guess (at least those who are vocal). I'm fine with people who download my own music or others and play it out. Would I prefer it the other way? Absolutely. But, I absolutely love the advancements in technology that have been made it possible for me to be able to distribute my own music. and listen to music of others, without having to deal with the same bottom line business oriented channels of the past. For all the nay saying, MP3 and other technological advancements have pushed us forward. If techno is as dying as a number of the people who like to piss on advancements like MP3 say it is, well, MP3 and the net is one of the reasons why the industry hasn't been able to shove us into a shelf of obscurity. We no longer need the ways and channels of the past to keep us alive or accessable. We can do what we do, middle fingers blazing, without any industry suit's help or promotional pushes. Take the positives with the negatives and realise we have a good thing.

welcome back, man!

i think there are 2 issues...not sure whether you are responding to people who are against illegal downloading or against people spinning cds or whatever using mp3s.

a lot of people are against digital delivery because they are vinyl traditionalists. others, like me, don't really care about that, but just think the end user has an ethical responsibility within the techno community to pay for music to use playing live or djing unless the artist and label want to give it up for free.

[Joseph Isaac]

I know cataloging every single techno track ever released would be a littel bit too much but..

maybe we should just wipe the slate clean and figure out how little techno labels can start start pulling together to sell mp3's under some sort of umbrella.

You cant complain about people dowloading stolen music if the only way to download it is by stealing if you know what i mean.

I'm all about the pulling together method...we're all we have left. :clap:

And your last statement, EXCELLENT point! I can't agree with you more.

[Joseph Isaac]

honestly mate don't worry about it. these guys will be in and out like fashion. dont' blame ableton, don't blame MP3's. ANYONE CANN BEATMATCH. it's not about this, it's about programming, it's about dropping the right sound at the right moment. i play 100% vinyl still when i play out, but let me on ableton for an hour and do the same thing and I WOULD get the same response. why? it's not ableton. it's the way you portray your music, the passion you show and the way you present your sound. i remember when ppl looked down their noses at CD's and then now they're everywhere.

technology doesn't scare me, but it scares too many ppl, even though they dont admit it. so they slag it. but SKILL and DEVOTION and PASSION shines through 100% of the time in music. DON T even worry about it. use it for what it is if you think it will improve your sound, but don't worry about it.

All over it like white on rice. Well done. :clap:

[tocsin]

welcome back, man!

Thanks. I had a rreally good time out in Romania and Hungary. I met some really nice guys in Budapest. On a side note, for anyone who is in the area, there is a party they are doing with some hardcore and hard techno. Lenny Dee is spinning in Budapest for the first time in 10 years. http://gabber.kingdom.hu/kingdom.php

i think there are 2 issues...not sure whether you are responding to people who are against illegal downloading or against people spinning cds or whatever using mp3s.

a lot of people are against digital delivery because they are vinyl traditionalists. others, like me, don't really care about that, but just think the end user has an ethical responsibility within the techno community to pay for music to use playing live or djing unless the artist and label want to give it up for free.

I'm kind of talking about all of it since I think when people get stuck on laws and ethics, they make things too black or white and ignore positive greys. It is a fact that I would not have heard a number of artists' music, some who post here, if not for the ability to pirate music with something like soulseek as a result of MP3. The music just isn't for sale around where I am. Yet, with free communication systems that allow for discussion and the downloading of music, I'm aware of some good people and music which, otherwise, I would have absolutely no knowledge. The people I know who are really into the music buy what they like in the end. The hardcore pirates remind me largely of kids who dubbed and traded mixtapes in that they were never buying the vinyl anyways. Other music genres or scenes have suffered setbacks as popularity comes and goes in waves. I'm just not seeing how it's any different for techno. Thus, I find the notion of placing heavy blame on hobbyists who are actually still into a style of music to be really misguided. The majority of people are not usually inclined to support people who they think are acting like dicks. When I see people blaming an audience for a decline in sales, and using examples here and there of some unknown and unplacable DJ using pirated music to make money as a justification for some pretty heavy and *gasp* "negative" attitudes and talking towards a majority of people who are just music fans in the end, I think it's counterproductive. As for any idea as to what technology is superior and what should be used when it comes to playback, I can just ignore that. I do way too much with digital technology to really care all that much about what some people scattered across the globe on webboards would think about that if they saw me using it. It just reminds me of the "rockers" I've mentioned in other threads who used to bitch about people using a drum machine instead of a drummer.

[SlavikSvensk]

well, i have a sort of mixed opinion on downloading...i don't think it's so bad for mixes. i just think djs should pay for music used to play out as an ethical obligation to the community. there are already ways to get vinyl...juno, planetx, etc. it would be nice to have a paid online service for mp3s, like has been suggested here.

again, i think it's up to the individual to do this...

[gunjack]

mp3 killed the cd star.

[sash]

honestly mate don't worry about it. these guys will be in and out like fashion. dont' blame ableton, don't blame MP3's. ANYONE CANN BEATMATCH. it's not about this, it's about programming, it's about dropping the right sound at the right moment. i play 100% vinyl still when i play out, but let me on ableton for an hour and do the same thing and I WOULD get the same response. why? it's not ableton. it's the way you portray your music, the passion you show and the way you present your sound. i remember when ppl looked down their noses at CD's and then now they're everywhere.

technology doesn't scare me, but it scares too many ppl, even though they dont admit it. so they slag it. but SKILL and DEVOTION and PASSION shines through 100% of the time in music. DON T even worry about it. use it for what it is if you think it will improve your sound, but don't worry about it.

yeah i hear ya chief :-)

[Francisco Scaramanga]

I just had a thought about this, if we are going to be giving shit to people who are playing ripped off mp3's, then really we should also be giving shit to people who are buying/playing records with uncleared samples on them. And I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone on this board has a few tracks with samples that were never cleared. In fact, probably more than a few, as I know there are loads of techno artists and labels out there who sample, and no doubt alot of them never actually get round to sorting out permission to use a sample.

I dont really blame them, cause I've made tunes with samples in them, and I doubt I'd ever get permission to use them (some of the artists I've ripped include Micheal Jackson, Nine Inch Nails, Rose Royce, Peaches, Lyn Collins - these sort of people might get funny about it), but I still play them out, and would even go as far as to release them as bootlegs if I ever got the chance.

So what do people reckon? The way I see it, buying/playing records with uncleared samples is stealing from an artist in a similar way to downloading mp3's, yet this is probably even more common a practice than playing ripped off mp3's - so should everyone burn their User records then or what?

[gumpy green]

who would care-
say you ripped of bad by micheal jackson and did release it on a proper label and sold 500-1000 copys.

what could they really sue you for??

200 quid......so fuks

[TechMouse]

what could they really sue you for??

Damages.

[tocsin]

People in the techno industry who give a shit about piracy are just like most other people. They never cared until it affected them. It was perfectly ok to pilfer sampler after sample, pirate software for creativity purposes, sell drugs to buy gear, and use a pair of bolt cutters to use someone else's property to throw a party. Let some years pass where people can go a bit more legit, and all of a sudden it's no longer cool if they are the other guy who has to deal with punks acting like they did. I still don't think this justifies any person pirating anything, btw. But, for people who will break laws to do what they want, they have no soapbox to stand on for this issue.

[SlavikSvensk]

People in the techno industry who give a shit about piracy are just like most other people. They never cared until it affected them. It was perfectly ok to pilfer sampler after sample, pirate software for creativity purposes, sell drugs to buy gear, and use a pair of bolt cutters to use someone else's property to throw a party. Let some years pass where people can go a bit more legit, and all of a sudden it's no longer cool if they are the other guy who has to deal with punks acting like they did. I still don't think this justifies any person pirating anything, btw. But, for people who will break laws to do what they want, they have no soapbox to stand on for this issue.

well, that's a good point, but i think for me, at least, i'm not suggesting anyone be prosecuted or anything...i just think people have a responsibility to the community...maybe people have a responsibility to the makers of software...but that's another issue...