a few TIPS on EQ issues

[nova]

im refering to logic when i say channel eq. i'll get back and read the post ;)

and also im on mac so i wont be able to tri it out yet. will tho when get on windows

[nova]

right so when an channel eq is first opened its flat right. after analyzing the sound that will show where abouts the sound is. then you know where abouts to bring the eq up yeah? to fit the orginal sound in the eq & anything over or under would be cutting or boosting

Not sure if we're quite on the same page here, as what I'm referring to doesn't use Audition's EQs at all. To check, what I'm referring to is:

1) Open a waveform in the waveform editor.
2) Find the icon called "Spectral Display" in the toolbar and click on it. There should be a pause and timebar as Audition redraws the sound as a spectrum.
3) With spectrum visible, move mouse over horizontal ruler on the left which is displaying frequencies in hz. Spin your mouse wheel to zoom, and grab and drag to move up or down (and you'll probably want to mousewheel zoom on the timeline at the top and drag that left and right too). Most easy place to get started is at low (100s) hz, where depending on what you're looking at you should be able to see kicks and bass (and undefined really low frequency stuff which you may want to roll off).
4) Once you've seen something you want to boost or fade, select the marquee tool from the toolbar, and then draw a box around the blob of colour that you want to fade or amplify (or just hit delete, although that'll leave an audible hole in your sound I find...an Amplify/Fade of -35 db will do the same trick and not be audible).
5) Click on the effects tab and doubleclick "Amplify/Fade". Usually you'll be cutting, so set it to say -9 db and hit OK. After processing Audition will rebuild the spectral display with that blob dimmer.

You can remove stuff very surgically offline in this way (e.g. get rid of snares and kick and just leave the high hats from a breakbeat) in a way that a realtime EQ effect can't, because a realtime EQ will attenuate without regard for time (and therefore chop out bits of high hat that share some hz with the snare you're trying to kill off). On the other hand, it also lets you see precisely where a realtime EQ needs to work in order to affect a certain sound, which is a lot easier to see than with a realtime spectral analyser (where you've got this leaping line in front of your eyes, which can be difficult to draw meaningful information from if there's a lot of harmonics jumping around). <-IMO

sounds good man. i will hav a go at that when i can get on aud. ;)

[jesus]

right so when an channel eq is first opened its flat right. after analyzing the sound that will show where abouts the sound is. then you know where abouts to bring the eq up yeah? to fit the orginal sound in the eq & anything over or under would be cutting or boosting

try finding the peaks then taking em down a bit , giving you more headroom. you can do this by sweeping though the frequencys boosting about 10-15 db with high Q( so its a sharp peak) . then just listen for the volumes as you go though ,some'll jump out and distort, some might be beautiful(and some'll just want to be left). When you get to a really bad one you'll know.Usually the peak'll cover a few freq so find the centre freq. Then cut that freq ,all the way, but slowly bring it back up until its in a nice place. Adjust the Q as you do this. Your gonna want to be soloing and listening to the track as a whole as you do this also.

[nova]

right so when an channel eq is first opened its flat right. after analyzing the sound that will show where abouts the sound is. then you know where abouts to bring the eq up yeah? to fit the orginal sound in the eq & anything over or under would be cutting or boosting

try finding the peaks then taking em down a bit , giving you more headroom. you can do this by sweeping though the frequencys boosting about 10-15 db with high Q( so its a sharp peak) . then just listen for the volumes as you go though ,some'll jump out and distort, some might be beautiful(and some'll just want to be left). When you get to a really bad one you'll know.Usually the peak'll cover a few freq so find the centre freq. Then cut that freq ,all the way, but slowly bring it back up until its in a nice place. Adjust the Q as you do this. Your gonna want to be soloing and listening to the track as a whole as you do this also.

safe jesus! im just getting a tad lost init. i know on logic theres a load of different eq's. is that with a channel eq yeah & wots hi Q??

[jesus]

yeah use the channel eq , set the Q as high as itll go. Q is the width of the peak or cut , watch the display! 0 will be a flat line 100 will be a single freq ( only waves go that high though).

[nova]

yeah use the channel eq , set the Q as high as itll go. Q is the width of the peak or cut , watch the display! 0 will be a flat line 100 will be a single freq ( only waves go that high though).

cheers dude i'll giv it a blast ;)

[curly]

im basic's guys . i realy need ta see it all done in front of my eye's. on my setup for it ta realy sink in. pages of these topics are defo good ta save & hav alook when doing a tune. or a dvd is there any dvds that cover mastering dance?? i think that might sink it in abit

I agree that a dvd would be very useful. I have been reading about eq for ages but don't seem to be getting the hang of it.

some audio examples would be very very handy indeed (before and after) to use as a refrence.

[Starfuqer]

you need to stop reading
and actually start eqing

actually practice equing
Load up sounds every day and spend 1 hour a day just eqing it. Get to know the frequencies. Listen to lots of music as well.

Reading wont' help you if your ears can't hear it

[BloodStar]

bump and I would like to know what EQ do you use? I'm mostly using cubase EQ and sometimes Eqium from Elemental Audio...

[Starfuqer]

sony oxford and UAD caimbridge


you should check out the waves or urs eqs. I think they would provide better results than what you are using right now

[BloodStar]

i've got waves plugs installed,,but not using them often,becausethey are hard on CPU,. i've heard something good on URS,,will have to check it..

[Jack]

the new logic on mac has spectrum analyser and eq on one unit.
Spot on.

As shown in page 1 of this thread.


But i just make do with hearing and eqing.

Will try lookign at some spectrum analysis soon thou and see if that helps.

Laterz

Would be much quicker with both on 1 unit thou :cry:

[Dolphinski]

The Voxengo plugs do a fine job if you want to see and hear what you're doing. And they're really cpu friendly. And cheap. Can't go wrong to be honest.