Tech Funk - What me and M-Zone play and believe in, is certainly NOT being cained in Godskitchen etc. Perhaps DJ Scot Project is the only one playing a whole set in a similar style, but I know for a fact that it's 90% either commercial trancey bollox or recover/nukleus etc etc stuff that is being thrown down at these places. If people do play some trance off more underground labels then it's straight back into cheese two seconds later. It's a totally different mentality.



I think we need to get something straight here. Underground Trance is underground trance. Underground techno is underground techno. There will always be an underground mentality in most genre's. Tech Funk - you are more into your techno so let me put it to you like this...You say techno is going commercial NO... a certain style of techno is breaking though to the commercial scene but as for the actually genre techno becoming 100% commercial? No chance, There's too many people/producers/clubbers/dj's etc with a deep routed passion for difference in the techno movement. As soon as any of us start to see a pattern of commercialism, we move away - most people go harder, deeper or darker.



Well believe it or not, it's the same with hard trance. Ask me (and countless others who believe in the underground sound) 1 year ago who there fave producer was and we'd have probably said Scot Project. His sound was hard, dirty and repressented the true sound of the underground hard trance movement. But the change was gradual. Some of his tracks crossed over, Gatecrasher sniffed around his door and he took everything that was offered him. To me and anyone devoted to the UK underground hard trance movement, Scot Project crossed that line and sold out by playing so much for these more commericial clubs (I reckon a few times is OK to try to spread the message but he totally forgot about who first bought his music in the first place). He didn't realise he was doing it (he thought he was doing the right thing) but now he has and he's lost alot of his underground following. I'll play Scot Project records occasionally but to me, they're just good memories.



As anyone who there fave hard trance label was: Overdose. Now, I hardly EVER play their music. It's too commercial. Sure you'll hear Overdose stuff perhaps 10% of the time at Godskitchen, but does that mean there is no underground hard trance movement? No way. You'll hear Pete Tong play the new Adam Beyer on his show (the most commercial dnace show on Radio 1??) but does that mean that Adam Beyer's music is commericial? No.



Tech Funk - I swear I'm not wanting to have a go at you - believe what you want to - but I've seen your attitude to hard trance on other boards and I don't like it. One of the objectives of this board is to help both the underground trance and techno communities understand each other. I know for sure alot of people who are posting on this underground trance section are 100% commited to the sound - just as you are 100% commited to underground techno. The last thing you need to be told by someone who obviously loves another genre and not much else is that your genre is shitty commercial rubbish. I really hope I speak for most people who post here when I say you've got to stop being so closed minded about hard trance. Sure, F*ck the commercial bollocks in any genre, but please don't put lump the underground hard trance sound in the same category as what Godskitchen stand for.










Edited by: markeg3000 at: 11/11/02 826 am