Turntablists are excluded from the above rant - they are truly musicians. As well, DJs who compose their own music or are musicians in their own right are excluded from most portions of the above rant - When composing they are at least engineers and artists.
word....and beatmathers aint pushing shit,

now the smae could happen with ableton, so easy to put toghether mediocrs stuff.

but then like the turntablists yall get folks that push these simple tools and really come up with soo much creativity.

yall still get folks doing crazy crazy shit cos ableton is a great tool(hopefully they stand out from the crowd), but ther will be loads of foks knocking out easy to do stuff.