"progress"

[gunjack]

man but you are always talking in such absolutes! a good beat can stir the soul as well. the key is not to get stuck in these boxes! this boxed out way of thinking is so dominant here. you in fact, bro, have been posting the most narrow minded, boxy shit out of everybody, i am not trying to flame you man, but go back and read some of the shit you post, you really are "trapped in a box".

[SlavikSvensk]

man but you are always talking in such absolutes! a good beat can stir the soul as well. the key is not to get stuck in these boxes! this boxed out way of thinking is so dominant here. you in fact, bro, have been posting the most narrow minded, boxy shit out of everybody, i am not trying to flame you man, but go back and read some of the shit you post, you really are "trapped in a box".

a good beat that stirs the soul is emotional. if you can't see that is part of what i was saying, then either you didn't read my post carefully enough.

and did you even bother reading the part where i said this is my opinion? or "what i want to see?" does an "absolute" leave room for disagreement or so carefully spell out that this is completely subjective?

you have a frequent inability to get the jist of i'm talking about, which other people don't seem to have a problem with. in this case, you also fail to see the blatant hypocrisy of you trying to call anyone out for having strong opinions. and this ain't a flame either, it's a simple observation...

do what you want with it...i'm tired of you condescending to me...

[massplanck]

Slavik is the Truth.

He tells a few lies sometimes. But he's still the truth.

[SlavikSvensk]

He tells a few lies sometimes.

:)

yes but only in the interests of "progress"

[holotropik]

Wow, great read dude. I understand what you are trying to say and agree with the big-picture examples you put across ;) nice one.

Techno IS still in its infancy and has growing pains, there is no doubt about that and progress will be had in time. I see the fact that many people immitate each other as a process of learning. Producer A puts down some stuff that gets a good reaction from the dancefloor/punters then producer B, C, D...etc immitates that sound through influence or jumping on the band-wagon to sell records etc.

The result is that the sound producer A developed gets flagged as a new sub-genre and flogged out then everyone gets sick of it and goes searching for the next thing. This cycle is getting quick which causes growing pains. Combined with the lack of economy in this music and the fact that everyone wants to be a super-star and you get jealousy, in-fighting and heated flaming of each other.

It will pass and its important right now as an artist to focus on what you want to do with your music rather than focus on the economics of it....as you said. Let time do the rest. There is always frustration and crazy emotional explosions from artists as they twist their mind around trying to produce the ideas in their heads or say what they want to say through music. I think we should understand this and accept that is what happens. (the whole Chris McM thing is a perfect example of what many of us have thought from time-to-time).

[Mindful]

This seems like quite a positive thread not sure I can add too it or bring up any new points but I can say I totally dig where Slav is comming from with the whole just go make somthing that rocks you pesonaly and if you like techno it will probably be techno.

And im allso picking up on Deafs it doesnt have to be innovative to be err........innovative as long as it stirs the soul somhow then it dosnt matter how clever it is if your making music and allways mindful of the fact that you want it to be something new then its possible that you will get the results you desire.

Also D_B said about not fearing a response and Taking risks which is so so imortent imo

All quite differrent points but still more or less about the same goal and to me thats one of the good things about messege boards like this(mostley this messege board)so many different veiws ways of doing the thing we love.

To me just because somone has a different veiw piont than myself does not meen I cannot take the good bits from what sombody else has to say.

you just have to decide for yourself which bits are a load of shite and which bits can help yourself and our brother/sisterhood proggress positivley in techno.


But maybe ive not picked up on what some were trying to say if so sorry :love:

[gunjack]

And im allso picking up on Deafs it doesnt have to be innovative to be err........innovative as long as it stirs the soul somhow then it dosnt matter how clever it is if your making music and allways mindful of the fact that you want it to be something new then its possible that you will get the results you desire.

that's almost it, more to the point, what i mean is that "innovation" and "progress" are myths. things change as a result of momentum. things are constantly shifting, "innovation" is a side effect.