hehe, 2 things i will give respect to the vanguard for, its good at deep basses and great for synthetic percussion that cuts through the mix, but i dont like its charector when used for leads etc one bit, never have done.

as for the discovery ive found it quite easy to programme, i tend to use it for the dryer sounds in my stuff as its really full and clean.

what kinda sounds are you after nutty ?

its great for analogy trance patches but if you want something a bit harsher then try running it through quadrafuzz to sculpt it into something a bit dirtyer.