I see what you mean, but the trouble is when you have to fill a venue with 1000's of people you need to have a few big name DJ's ( When i say 'big names' I mean Dj's that everbody has heard of, mainly more comercial dj's such as lee haslem ) to get people to go who are not as into the scene as we are. I might be wrong in saying that but thats the way it seems to me. As for hard house, some of it is quite comercial but some of the production side of things from poeple like bk & kirim are very good I find. I Used to play a fair bit of ' Hard house ' upstairs at the country club and it used to go off up there. My mates used to say hard house was crap, but they loved it when myself & also Andy-m used to play it up there. I prefer to call it hard dance as when you say 'hard house' they think of comercial old stuff that the larger boyz love to dance to.