Sven Wittekind

[MARKEG]

btw adverse, if gandalf would have banned him it would be because he BROKE THE RULES. not because of ANYTHING else he said in the posts. to recap:

'THE GOLDEN RULE: This board must stay as informative and constructive as possible. Respect and friendliness towards other board members is a must. Anyone who puts this in jepardy will be banned. Rest assured, there will be no exceptions.

To help you on your path, when you post:

Don't be disrespectful to other DJ's/Promoters/Music Styles without a genuine reason.

Try your best to be positive at all times. Blatant negativity is going to get us nowhere.

Use this resourse for what it is - a resourse. Constructive arguements are welcome here. This is not a place to argue until you're blue in the face. If someone is being disrespectful, forget about it - they will eventually be banned if they keep it up.

Have fun. Discuss things. Disagree amicably - but understand the line! Music people are the true force that feeds this site. If you're not here for music, then leave immediately.

Welcome the Underground Network.'

Calling something pointless generic crap is both disrespectful and unconstuctive. Besides, he's broken the rules before and i'm letting him break them again!!!!!! What does this say to our board members??!?!!!

This really is the last time I'm letting him do this.

[Adverse]

ok i must apologize to mark. i misunderstood the nature of of the thread and subsequent warning to fellow board member death on a stick. i was in discord over substance when mark was upset over derogation. sorry board. sorry mark.

[Esox Lucius]

I agree with d.o.a.s that there is too much crap being released, as for the whole SW/Amok thing, personally I like most of their tunes and I think they are pretty good producers.

I don`t think death has crossed a mark as such as he has backed his comments up, which is a lot more than most people do on other forums, he could have just said it was crap and gave no reason.

that`s my 2 cents anyway :D

[MARKEG]

i too, totally agree with death on a stick that there is too much crap being released and want to take this discusion further. i have 'disagreement' with him that sven wittekind's music is not good but like Triple said, it's a pointless discussion.

but the major issue i have with him is that he wrote his original comments flipantly and disrespectfully.

i love death's upfrontness and openess and he is a valued and loved member of the board. yet, if he breaks rules, he is not wanted here - just like anyone else who does this.

and even if he did this, i'd still respect him outside of the internet environment and always listen to what he had to say. for those that know me, i don't hold grudges, there's too much hate out there.

but if there's one thing i will not have in my life, it's disrespect. if that usually happens to me, i'll up and leave or walk away and keep my distance. unfortuntely the only way i can do that on this board environment is by banning someone. therefore i've made rules and i propose to stick to them.

i really hope you realise this guys. there's nothing wrong with arguments and disagrements. it's comments like generic pointless crap, with no substance in the same sentence to back them up, that annoys me here.

[davethedrummer]

I downloaded and listened to some Wittekind and Amok tunes last night, seeing as they get spoken of a lot round here. Have to say it ranks high up amongst the most pointless, generic nonsense I've ever heard.

i don't get it
i don't think he really said anything that bad.
he just said he didn't like it!
what's wrong with that?
there's plenty of other club/hard techno producers i could slag off
and plenty others who would slag me off
but at the end of the day
mr death wasn't really slagging anyone
was he????

on a more positive note
i haven't heard dj amok
but i've been sent a lot of e-mail blah from him
so i'm gonna check him out and see what it's all about
i've been in touch with his website designer

nice site.....

hmmmm

[MARKEG]

it's not that death on a stick said he didn't like it.

it's that he said 'pointless generic nonsense' - in one flipant sentense without reason.

that's what i don't like and i don't want this type of comment on here.

[davethedrummer]

actually
the reason i am convinced of deaths innosence is the use of the word generic.
thing is, that in this statement he gives away the fact that he doesn't know what alll the fuss is about, because to him this music is just following suit with other well trodden paths of techno. and this means it is pointless.

o.k. "crap" perhaps is a bit strong but "generic" and "pointless" are words of critique and i think they are justified.
i know this is a forum and i know that it's vibe is to be positive ,
so come on be positive !

[MARKEG]

i totaly agree with you...

doas has an arguement which we need to discuss further.....

sure he's annoyed but - pointless generic rubbish???? i really dont think so to be honest. i am a board member and i love this guy's music.

what anyones me about this sentence is like he knows best. how come he knows best? it annoys me that he should think this.... in one sentence.

'pointless generic nonsense'

it's a ridiculous arguement. it's all opinion!

therefore he's offended me.

i made a rule. ie please dont say anyyone's music is 'shite' without reason. don't offend other board memebers. i made this for a reason. it matter's to me - dont ask me why - it just does! if you're going to slag something of, justify it. it's a rule of this board. you all read the rules when you joined. i love you all dearly, but please god realise that this is what holds this board together :)

[dcdn]

hi all, you know where this is all about??

When there is a hype going on or just like in this topic a big upcoming producer collective from Germany, which produces good things there are ALWAYS guys that want to provoke against it just to get a reaction or just for the fun, i mean this is a hard/club techno forum so they listen to hard/club techno i would recon. But its just that some people although they like it (often) want to be against the mass who really say they like it. Therefore this ongoing discussion here is pointless and no need for, just let them say they thik its nothing at all and leave it is my opinion....

[DJAmok]

holy mother of **** , ya don´t watch a forum carefully every day and things start gettin out of hand


ya know, I figured out what track death on must´ve downloaded, and to be honest, that wasn´t really our best effort at producing. The Track he downlaoded and my remix are now around 18 months old, and back then I didn´t even have a vinyl out, I was still learning (still am, too).

Then again, I´m pretty sure he won´t like our new stuff either, if he missed the point once, he´ll miss it again. But since I can´t speak for Sven, but I´ll speak for myself from now on.

You can check out a remix I did for Arkus P. if you want (Compressor wasn´t set up right when I recorded it so please ignore the fact, that the Breaks get so loud, this is not the final version!)

http://www.djamok.net/dd/Arkus%20P.%...stversion).mp3

And here´s my Artillery 001

http://www.djamok.net/dd/DJ%20Amok%2...ry001%20A1.mp3


Now where were we? Critisism is cool and always welcome, I´m still new at this (tad bit more than 2 years) and even though right now I´m really hitting the taste of a young hardtechno generation out there, I still want to learn more and get better and I believe there will always be room for improvement. Having said that, critisism could often be a lot more constructive and helpful and less insulting and generic....

We´ve got a big discussion going on on German forums at the time, and appearantly it pisses a lot of people off royaly, that new German hardtechno is doing so well at the moment. The arguments I hear most, is that it´s pointless and that the bpm are too high. I don´t know about Sven Wittekind or Chris Noise, Obi or any of the others, but I try to make my crowd happy with my tunes. I´ve been Djing now for about 18 months
and I´ve been carefully watching the crowd´s reaction, did a little research on what rhythms get em going and what bores them. Then I blend this with my personal taste of how I want my techno to be, try to check if it works well at 160bpm (some of us have a habit of spinning at this speed) and out comes what you´ll probably be listenin to right now: hard aggressive techno. Not everyone likes it, and I don´t expect everyone to do so, there´s enough techno out there for everyone.


@ Dave:
what do you mean with you´ve been receiving email blah from me? I hope no one out there is sending out any spam in my name :(

btw props for "Buried Alive" one of my all time favs ;)

[DJ Corbzy]

god! you techno lot are well feisty! :lol:

[DJAmok]

I´ll say :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

I wish the trance forums was a little more like that, it's always nice to be involved in a few heated discussions....

Arguing shows two things, Ignorance or Passion

[Sven Wittekind]

hey a topic about me
NOW i am IMPORTANT :lol:

no ok ... thx to all People who like my stuff.
@ MarkEG : Let us talk again soon (blackout release)

regards
sven wittekind

[DJPAUZE]

Just got Bitshift 01 HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!
Its the best i have heard from wittekind so far

Pauze

[Bughead]

Well either way, DJ Amok and Sven Wittekind, keep up the good work.

Harder and Faster....

[Angrymann]

Just read through all the comments and have to say out of all this , I give massive credit to Dj Amok , who didn't take or appear to take any offence to the comments at all. That's the only way to do it , cause if you all wanted to produce records that were going to be accepted by most people then Techno would not be the genre. Techno enthusiasts are the most crticial ( I may be wrong here cause I only love techno don't pay attention to much else as passionately) , on every forum you get as much praise for a guy as you do slander. I personally prefer to see a bit of constructive criticism and I do believe folk should speak their mind. There is nothing worse to me than folk always sucking up to folk just cause they are a big name , surely none of you want that. Some people criticise nothing so they can conform or be accepted easier , there is no point in that whatsoever , just as there is no point in saying " ach that's pish".

I think the reason that there is a clash is that Death on a stick appears to me to have old school beliefs and possibly isn't prepared to accept certain pieces of music because they don't seem to him to have any real musical substance or add anything NEW to the genre( in his opinion). I would hazard a guess and say that he possibly leans towards Detroit style techno ,something that he feels has more real substance to it ( this is a complete guess). I do like the way he expresses his opinion and would say that you can't really say he is being flippant because you can only take it the way you read it , if you already think he is like that then you will automatically read his posts that way. That said , I am still to see him say anything good about any records or anything on the site , who knows , maybe one day.

Anyway , I am off to downlaod Amok's tracks and give them a listen. take it easy boys

[Col]

fuk me the forum is on fire today!!!!

[Bughead]

Isnt it better anyway having people discussing their creations and having out in public forums ;) than having it sit somewhere doing nothing...