Sven Wittekind

[Spark]

What do you think of his productions?! And how is he as a dj!?

I need to know. .

[TripleX]

he is a very talented producer, i think him and amok are gonna be big in techno .
I have some of his sets, they are pretty good too...

[Pathogen]

yep i agree with that triple x, they are for sure names that are moving forward through their quailty productions.
svens releases on shubfactor are nice (allthougth the last wasnt my cup of tea), and records with apperances by him are allways gunna be worth a listen.

[MARKEG]

yes we love sven here :)

[technosnob]

I've only heard one of his sets....

Based on that, what he plays and what he makes are two different things.
His own stuff is alot harder than the stuff he dropped on this particular set.

[Spark]

I like his productions very much!

In the future we from Future Sounds want to book him for one of our party's..

[JACKSTAR]

His best release is by far his one on Kne'Deep 25.... not sure of the title as mine's a promo but every single track is a killer.

[DJAmok]

got Thrill 007 promo yet? B1 is a real killer! Thought Evil sent you one?

[death on a stick]

I downloaded and listened to some Wittekind and Amok tunes last night, seeing as they get spoken of a lot round here. Have to say it ranks high up amongst the most pointless, generic nonsense I've ever heard.

[JACKSTAR]

Are you sure you didn't download some wonky techno ? Eitherway I don't think you should diss the production of someone who uses this forum on a regular basis even if you don't like it.

Do I feel another OVERLOAD coming on ???

(Mark be aware)

P.

[MARKEG]

yeah death - this needs to stop. thanks J.

i think 90% of the ppl who use this club/hard techno forum think completely the opposite to what you said there. i love sven's music - in fact I asked him to release on blackout. and i asked dj amok to send me his work and although it wasn't quite right, i definitely thought it was totally not pointless, generic nonsense. .

why are you even on this forum if you don't like club/hard techno???????

[death on a stick]

I don't feel I dissed it, merely gave an honest appraisal of it.

I've had my music criticised and praised on Blackout. I've praised and criticised other people's music on Blackout, as has every other member. Are your mates exempt from criticism on Blackout?

I don't see why anyone should be exempt from having their productions assessed by anyone else, whether they happen to read it or not. If you put your stuff in the public arena you can expect public reactions.

that sort of statement belongs in the dark/experimental forum

Why?

why are you even on this forum if you don't like club/hard techno???????

I do like hard techno, and I do like club techno.


And what's with the comparisons with Overload? You can go on there any day and read heaps of praise about a huge variety of artists from just about every style of music, from pop down to pure noise. Of course, there is criticism too...as there is here. Are we really that narrow minded on Blackout that we can't handle the idea that everything we do may not be as wonderful as we think? Are we unable to question the validity of our work in the light of other people's observations (no matter how crude it may have been - believe me, I was as nice I could have been).

[MARKEG]

not as wonderful as we think?

ok sven and amok are rather new hard techno producers and still have a long way to go compared to the likes of wilson and patrick s but pointless, generic crap - no way.

how come i remember thowing down sven's last track on overdrive at a huge hard techno party abroad 6 months ago and 6,000 ppl went nuts.

you telling me they're all into pointless generic crap?

more to the point you're telling me i'm into pointless generic crap!

no man, don't agree with you. you have your opinion, i have mine.

but next time instead of putting pointless generic crap and then being forced into giving your reasons - please be less flipant and explain yourself.

[MARKEG]

also think about it m8. you come onto a forum which talks about nothing but club and hard techno saying what these two make (ie hard techno) is pointless generic crap. you simply have to expect people to disagree with you.

[Patrick]

Do I feel another OVERLOAD coming on ???

(Mark be aware)

P.

Paul, can you explain this reference please ? I've seen you, and others, make this type of remark a few times and I don't understand it.
I also use OL as well as Blackout and a few other forums and I don't think OL is as bad as people make out. It seems to have picked up a reputation that seems a bit undeserved to me. And it's a bit unfair on Woody (who also uses Blackout regularly so I'm sure he can pitch his own tuppence worth in) and Ali for people to be making remarks about OL purely based on the behaviour of a minortity in the past on their forum. Remember OL, like Blackout, is a lot more than just a forum. There's a wealth of useful info and some fantastic articles on there. They deserve a lot more credit for what they've done.

Anyway, not having a go or anything. I'm a fairly new user on OL and like I said it seems a fairly sound forum to me with lots of sound people using it, so I'm kind of intrigued as to what the history is behind those comments. Have you had a bad experience on there ? I can only remember seeing positive stuff about you, especially in the events section, but like I said I'm fairly new to it.

[death on a stick]

point·less (pointls) adj.

Lacking meaning; senseless.
Ineffectual: pointless attempts to rescue the victims of the raging fire
Syn: Blunt; obtuse, dull; stupid



ge·ner·ic (j-nrk) adj.

Relating to or descriptive of an entire group or class;
Biology. Of or relating to a genus.



non·sense (nnsns, -sns) n.

Subject matter, behavior, or language that is foolish or absurd.
Extravagant foolishness or frivolity: a clown's exuberant nonsense.
Matter of little or no importance or usefulness
Insolent talk or behavior; impudence: wouldn't take any nonsense from the children.




OK - more detailed appraisal.

I'm afraid I can't provide the exact track names as I deleted them immediately after listening to them, but two of them were the same track, a SW original and an Amok remix. These two tracks, along with the others I heard, all consisted of cheaply constructed sounds put together in an entirely unimaginative way that replicated many hundreds or even thousands of almost identical and equally poorly thought out tracks that have been released over the last 10 years or so. The structure was entirely generic - the usual combination of boom boom kick drums, add a hissy ride, have a little breakdown, do a bit of filtering, repeat ad infinitum. To be honest myself and the other person in the room were laughing while listening to it. I was tempted to ask on here if the whole thing SW/Amok/Skull tunes saga was a joke that I hadn't cottoned onto yet.

You say they are new to producing techno - it shows.


a general, but related note - There'd be a whole lot less garbage to sift through if people took the time to listen to their music and ask themselves "should I release this? does this add anything to the techno world other than 1000 pieces of circular plastic? what does this music offer that makes it stand out from the thousands of other records out there?".

More self assessment and a whole lot more experience would go a long way.


Of course, people could just pump out their tracks willy nilly on as many labels as are willing to have them, without bothering to question whether the music is good enough or if it's worth releasing dozens of indistinguishable tracks. That's their choice, as everyone has a choice as to their opinions of it.

Perhaps my initial post was too unsophisticated - but it was a reflection of the subject matter.

[death on a stick]

also think about it m8. you come onto a forum which talks about nothing but club and hard techno saying what these two make (ie hard techno) is pointless generic crap. you simply have to expect people to disagree with you.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, and of course I was not surprised that it happened.

As I said in an earlier post, I like hard techno, and I like club techno. Not that I really see the distinction.

[TripleX]

this discussion is pointless :roll: , we have this on german forums all the time, it´s a never ending story........
everybody´s taste in music differs....., so it´s pretty hard to talk objective about music , (it´s not possible if you ask me).
it´s defenetly okay to not like amok & wittekind stuff, but it´s not okay to say their music is crap, pointless etc, that´s a arrogant way and of course offends people who like that kinda music....
I dun like trance for example, but i don´t say trance is sh!t....(because i don´t understand it)

[MARKEG]

exactly. death on a stick it's not the fact you disagreed with me or dislike sven/amok's music (although i do disagree with you cause i love hard techno and have a problem with that in principle). it's the way you said it. you've been warned about your type of flipant remarks by our main admin Gandalf before. we have to stamp these type of comments out. you're actually lucky he's gone on holiday for a week or i know he would have banned you. if you want to keep on using this board, please don't use cocky, flipant remarks such as pointless generic nonsense. they serve no purpose at all. and i don't need the definitions pointed out to me like you're some kind of english school teacher.

anyway, i say this:

read the rules.

and you will realise there is definitely no point in discussing this matter further.

i hope you sort it out mate :D

post locked.

[MARKEG]

ok post unlocked.

adverse you had something to say??????