I think this argument can be put to rest. For anyone who has come in late, this is the gist of it:

Heroes is the typical sounding big label guy and Tocsin is the typical sounding artist AND consumer.

Heroes has it in for Tocsin and Tocsin has it in for Heroes because they have a difference of oppinion due to their position in the matter. Heroes is a big daddy label guy and Tocsin is a random artist. Heroes wants to keep being rewarded with money and hasn't saved his pennies and Tocsin just cares about the music because he also works a day job. Heroes thinks that mp3 is hurting his labels' sales and Tocsin says its due to the music not being in demand. Heroes doesn't like to hear this and calls Tocsin a tosser. Tocsin doesn't like people talking bad about digital music either.

They both disagree about the reasons why Heroes' labels are loosing money and it has become an argument on a personal level. A battle of the egos that won't be resolved till Heroes realises that there is no going back to the golden days of vinyl and a high demand market or till Tocsin shuts up and says "you're right, it was mp3's fault. lets stop arguing" (even tho he may not really mean it)

close the thread... its going round n round n round n round in circles... we all know both sides of the story (label vs artist vs consumer) , we've heard it all before (except for network).

heres a quote for next time:

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...