Ghost writers

[gumpy green]

heard of this in hiphop wer an mc that cant write lyrics pays someone who can to write them for them and then he mc's these over whateva beat.

now,

ive heard of this in techno where someone gets a producer along side them to write the track......then they clame its ther track.

hope this isnt too widespread in techno cos imo it sucks.

have yall heard of this happening much or is this just a rare occurance????

[TechMouse]

ive heard of this in techno where someone gets a producer along side them to write the track......then they clame its ther track.

I think it's called "getting an engineer".

I seem to remember reading a DJ Mag article a while ago with Timo Maas where he pretty much said he has three guys who write his tunes for him, and he pops his head round the door at the end of the day and says "yeah, I like that" or "no, I don't like that" etc.

Think (hope?) it's less widespread in Techno as it's less widespread and more production driven than other kinds of music.

[RDR]

heard of this in hiphop wer an mc that cant write lyrics pays someone who can to write them for them and then he mc's these over whateva beat.

now,

ive heard of this in techno where someone gets a producer along side them to write the track......then they clame its ther track.

hope this isnt too widespread in techno cos imo it sucks.

have yall heard of this happening much or is this just a rare occurance????

Worms, Can - now opened!

Yeah i've seen this happen a lot. To be fair to the people involved they did put XXXXX vs XXXXX on the track. but if you didnt know em you'd think that was truth.

But how different is it for pop artists who get given a song by their publishers to sing on stage?

There are many song writers out there who record companies would NOT want to put on stage due to their lack of appeal.. (shallow i know but im talking about overweight uglies here...) but who have MASSIVE abilities as song writers. (it also applies to folks who dont want to be in the public eye)

I dont see it being any different with hip hop. my mates a dope rap song writer... but he's a west yorkshire honkey fella. cant really see him on stage with 60 pence now, but what he writes is good.

Its an age old story in music.

[FuK-NuT]

shite state of afairs....!

[TechMouse]

Worms, Can - now opened!

Yeah i've seen this happen a lot. To be fair to the people involved they did put XXXXX vs XXXXX on the track. but if you didnt know em you'd think that was truth.

But how different is it for pop artists who get given a song by their publishers to sing on stage?

There are many song writers out there who record companies would NOT want to put on stage due to their lack of appeal.. (shallow i know but im talking about overweight uglies here...) but who have MASSIVE abilities as song writers. (it also applies to folks who dont want to be in the public eye)

I dont see it being any different with hip hop. my mates a dope rap song writer... but he's a west yorkshire honkey fella. cant really see him on stage with 60 pence now, but what he writes is good.

Its an age old story in music.

Ah, those immensely photogenic Techno people...

[RDR]

Cwoorrr! whos tha...


Oh shit.

[Heroes]

commisioned techno, hate it,

well the bee gees are still going, so to is elton john. so i gues that means bailey and leibing will be a round for a while to come.

oooooops naughty naughty someones not had enough sleep.....

[Jay Pace]

I think ghosting its fairly common.

Different genre's certainly - Goldie never engineered any of his music. It was still all his music though. Without him there would have been no creative steer.

With technology getting so advanced I think it is pretty crippling having to be a sound engineer, mixdown engineer, mastering engineer and creative producer all at once. Probably why you see so many successfull creative partnerships - each person brings something different to the table. Other people can be more objective about the results.

This is how it works for the rest of music - partnerships with shared skills creating outstanding results.

Computer produced music is insular enough as it is.

I think slating people for recognising that their skills are creative and not technical is very narrowminded.

Production should always be credited - but artistic input is more valuable.

jus my 2c

[TechMouse]

Production should always be credited - but artistic input is more valuable.

Though incredibly hard to quantify...

[RDR]

Production should always be credited - but artistic input is more valuable.

Though incredibly hard to quantify...

I have a special ruler for that.....




oh hang on, thats for something else..

[FuK-NuT]

bailey and leibing will be a round for a while to come.

.....

Bloody shocking, espesh after reading an interview where liebing was
banging on about bring a more heavy metal feel to techno....i right pal!!

;)

[The Overfiend]

commisioned techno, hate it,

well the bee gees are still going, so to is elton john. so i gues that means bailey and leibing will be a round for a while to come.

oooooops naughty naughty someones not had enough sleep.....

You mean Redhead & Wooden

[dirty_bass]

There`s a difference between getting someone to engineer, or assist production, and just downright do it all for you.
The problem lies also with the person doing the engineering.
If you have a huge hand in what goes on then you should get co producer creit, and it`s your responsibility to get it.
If your sitting there doing everything and all the other guy is doing is going "yeah, I like that" then you are being the creative part of the deal.

Ghost writers suck. How anyone can have the Ego to claim the creativity of someone elses work is beyond me. It`s dishonest and I question these individuals whole motivation.

[TechMouse]

Ghost writers suck. How anyone can have the Ego to claim the creativity of someone elses work is beyond me. It`s dishonest and I question these individuals whole motivation.

Money?

[gumpy green]

There`s a difference between getting someone to engineer, or assist production, and just downright do it all for you.
The problem lies also with the person doing the engineering.
If you have a huge hand in what goes on then you should get co producer creit, and it`s your responsibility to get it.
If your sitting there doing everything and all the other guy is doing is going "yeah, I like that" then you are being the creative part of the deal.

Ghost writers suck. How anyone can have the Ego to claim the creativity of someone elses work is beyond me. It`s dishonest and I question these individuals whole motivation.

yeh thats what i was hearing-

some folk just sit ther saying yes do this do that, i like this, and someone else is doing the producing....

mmmmmmmmmmmmm, not right imo

[TechMouse]

Perhaps "bespoke production" would be a better term.

[gumpy green]

the real reason i ask is cos i want to find someone to do that for me so i can release music and get gigs. ;)

[networker]

yeh thats what i was hearing-

some folk just sit ther saying yes do this do that, i like this, and someone else is doing the producing....

mmmmmmmmmmmmm, not right imo[/quote]

and why is it always a dj with no knowledge of the rudiments of music?
i used to hire out my studio years back to pay the rent. some guy said to me in there "can you make that 'BANGIN' sound go up"
what!!!!!? i says
turns out he wanted a buildin rollin snare drum in a break.
i should have bounced his head up the steps to the front door and said "what? like that?"
and before you say anything. NO INDUSTRIAL SECRETS WERE RELEASED TO THIS TIT

[killarava2day]

I can't understand as to how these certain producers just sit back and can accept that their creativity and experience is not being acknowledged in a public forum. Sure it might pay for the mortgage and a flash car, but respect would be far more satisfying, for me, I think...although I must admit that I dream for a BMW M5.

[networker]

I can't understand as to how these certain producers just sit back and can accept that their creativity and experience is not being acknowledged in a public forum. Sure it might pay for the mortgage and a flash car, but respect would be far more satisfying, for me, I think...although I must admit that I dream for a BMW M5.

SINK OR SWIM M8

the m3 is indeed a wicked car but you gotta admit it sounds like a bloody moped