Juan Atkins/UR/Jeff Mills... Who's next?

[Jimfish]

some good points in here.
we could all do somthing original if we were to take some 'nigerian goat dancing' and cross it with 'bulgarian love-gabba' (whateverthe **** that is). but it would sound shite. and in fact it wouldnt be original at all, just a cross breed. im sure there is an inbred joke here somwhere, just cant put my fingr on it, anyhow..

I suppose i could get the mike out and fart and wail into it completly out of pitch and time, then underlay it with shuffly mouse sctrachings recorded from the attic. but again this would be shite, and probably not very techno. Anyone can be different, but can they be different and stay within the boundaries of taste and decency?

I just dont see how my pea like brain will ever get around this so i just think sod it, ill just do what i enjoy and evolve with my tastes.

one more point... before say 20 ish years ago people made thier music with just one sound (that being the piano, guitar etc). so for people to do somthing different they just had to cross/change instruments. Thanks to our samplers etc we have beeen able to use any sound we please for the last few years, the amount of new routes we can explore sounds wise has dwindled to nearly nothing, so we must experiment with beats, but we've used every hit in the world, and then we are stuck to this 4/4 signature because of the dancin' and the mixin' etc.

I know a lot of people who like certain tracks just because they are 'different' (and therefore probably a tad 'cool'), whereas i just cant do it, i only like what my ears tell me they are enjoying, granted i can apreciate technical genius and great production, but i cant enjoy it as a noise to let myself go to. except of course the 'brown noise' hehe :)

It just baffles me anyway, a bit like when i try to think about the universe never ending.
Except more baffling.

[Jimfish]

some good points in here.
we could all do somthing original if we were to take some 'nigerian goat dancing' and cross it with 'bulgarian love-gabba' (whateverthe **** that is). but it would sound shite. and in fact it wouldnt be original at all, just a cross breed. im sure there is an inbreeding joke in that somwhere, just cant put my finger on it, anyhow..

I suppose i could get the mike out and fart and wail into it completly out of pitch and time, then underlay it with shuffly mouse sctrachings recorded from the attic. but again this would be shite, and probably not very techno. Anyone can be different, but can they be different and stay within the boundaries of taste and decency?

I just dont see how my pea like brain will ever get around this so i just think sod it, ill just do what i enjoy and evolve with my tastes.

one more point... before say 20 ish years ago people made thier music with just one sound (that being the piano, guitar etc). so for people to do somthing different they just had to cross/change instruments. Thanks to our samplers etc we have beeen able to use any sound we please for the last few years, the amount of new routes we can explore sounds wise has dwindled to nearly nothing, so we must experiment with beats, but we've used every hit in the world, and then we are stuck to this 4/4 signature because of the dancin' and the mixin' etc.

I know a lot of people who like certain tracks just because they are 'different' (and therefore probably a tad 'cool'), whereas i just cant do it, i only like what my ears tell me they are enjoying, granted i can apreciate technical genius and great production, but i cant enjoy it as a noise to let myself go to. except of course the 'brown noise' hehe :)

It just baffles me anyway, a bit like when i try to think about the universe never ending.
Except more baffling.

[Jimfish]

whoops, i meant to press edit and fix my shoddy typing :roll:

[ANDROID]

Mark! i think all detroit techno pioneers in the history at the moment we got new fresh people who replace them long time ago and thay do the job much better then detroit gang.

mauro picotto
dave the drummer
chris liberator
joy kitikonti
carl cox
dave clarke
mark e.g.
glen wilson
green velvet
thomas chrome
e.t.c.
i think those people are engine of techno!

[Patrick DSP]

I 100% agree with you, andre.

i can't stand that old detroit sentimentality either. makes me puke.

p.dsp

Mark! i think all detroit techno pioneers in the history at the moment we got new fresh people who replace them long time ago and thay do the job much better then detroit gang.

mauro picotto
dave the drummer
chris liberator
joy kitikonti
carl cox
dave clarke
mark e.g.
glen wilson
green velvet
thomas chrome
e.t.c.
i think those people are engine of techno!

[MARKEG]

hmmm.... i love detroit and the place it has in history.

guys - we wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for juan atkins/derrick may/kevin sauderson. think about it. to be honest i wouldn't have the passion for this music if i hadn't been blown away by early transmat stuff. but that's just me. nevertheless you HAVE to have respect for the early techno guys, whether you like it or not.

RE: the rest of this thread.

I really was not talking about Richie Hawtin etc. I meant the FUTURE. Hawtin is a previous pioneer. But who is the FUTURE?????

Si Begg is doing a damn good job at doing something different.
So is Jerome - but surely he needs to make more of a mark as a producer.

ANDROID - in the list you've given I see people who have created their own sound but I don't see people who are doing something massively different.... YET. Sure they have their own thing... But I'm talking here about major changes. If anyone is going to change techno I believe your list is a good starting point. Now lets see where these names go/take us. Time will give us the answer to my topic.

But at the moment who is truely breaking the mould??????????

[crime]

Michael Forshaw.. That guy is definatly breaking the mould.. total crazy shit...

Also stuff to check:

DJ Bezz
DJ Mahatma
Both part of Remus's crew, these guys record for Nerven, played a few gigs with them in Germany, on top of the good tunes, really nice guys...


Also:
DIN-ST

[matt303]

I think over the past few years the leaps and bounds forward have been in production rather than ideas. I think the huge amount of plug ins etc have lead to the impotance of it sounding fat rather than being original. The quality of sound/production we have now on techno releases is phenominal, and i think DAVE's Hydraulix is leading the pack here and also one of the labels at the moment that's doing something new and original to me. i also think that there are some old and new labels that still excite me, new tracks that i'm mad about, with good ideas that get me going.

It seems some producers are still trying to catch up with technology, spending their time making sure they have the right plug in to make their kick drum sound fat that there is no time to spend on ideas.

[baptismo]

well there's been lot's of hype about all sorts of producers and djs
but i just don't believe that the music itself is new enough to be groundbreaking anymore.
it's basically all been done give or take here and there
y'know
acid
minimal
loops
percussive
dark
hard
trancey
clubby
etc etc etc
i just can't imagine whwre it can go from here
unless the rythmn changes????
or some genius really does come along and show us how it's done

I think this is the same for all 4x4 dance music, I definetly find it hard to write a trance melody now without it sounding like something which has done before. It seems like im waiting for something big to come and sweep me off my feet, like a new genre which i love as much as the current ones....

[Adverse]

hmmm.... i love detroit and the place it has in history.

guys - we wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for juan atkins/derrick may/kevin sauderson. think about it. to be honest i wouldn't have the passion for this music if i hadn't been blown away by early transmat stuff. but that's just me. nevertheless you HAVE to have respect for the early techno guys, whether you like it or not.

RE: the rest of this thread.

I really was not talking about Richie Hawtin etc. I meant the FUTURE. Hawtin is a previous pioneer. But who is the FUTURE?????

Si Begg is doing a damn good job at doing something different.
So is Jerome - but surely he needs to make more of a mark as a producer.

ANDROID - in the list you've given I see people who have created their own sound but I don't see people who are doing something massively different.... YET. Sure they have their own thing... But I'm talking here about major changes. If anyone is going to change techno I believe your list is a good starting point. Now lets see where these names go/take us. Time will give us the answer to my topic.

But at the moment who is truely breaking the mould??????????

i'd like to think Miro and I are... atleast we're trying to.

[DJZeMig_L]

Rewinding a little bit...

Sample vs midi...

If u use presets isn't that almost the same as using a legal sample?
But what if u create all sounds from scratch and still your music is "crap"?
....
My view on this discution is all goes depending on how original and personal it sounds...


As 2 the rest it is very dificult 2 look outside the box...
I definatly think it is more important that people have they're own personal toch/ character reflected in they're music, that's the way fw!!

I find it "almost2 impossible 4 some1 2 just come out with something massively diferent... even hem it is days 'till some1 uses it and apropriates it.... not cool??? depends... in fact we all do it 2 a degree but it all boils down 2 how much u throw in aswell...

One name that sometimes comes 2 mind is Akuffen... but now u have 10000000000 copycats!!

Wouldn't we really discart the guy who comes up with the NEW sound b4 it got somehow more normal!!

Nothing comes out of the blue just like that... we may b 2 close 2 observe but we may all b part of it already...

PS - 99% is recreation, we inovate but renovating thru such different methods, processes results etc... that we end up with something new!!

Z

[DJZeMig_L]

Ps2 - Looking 4 the newest thing can sometimes get ya lost!! I go with Jim.. do what u like a stay true 2 it ... there isn't just 1 universal sound

[davethedrummer]

yeah sorry android don't slag detroit off mate i was listening to "clear" in the car yeterday still sounds fresh as a daisy also i am sad to say that your list was very complimentary but no-one on it was a real "innovator".
as for the future well a very interesting point came up about live music earlier and that's kind of got my imagination going .
does anyone remembr eskimos in egypt well that's an example of how NOT to do it.
playing your guitar over a rubbish techno backing tape!!!!!
but can anyone tell me of really groundbreakin live techn acts???
i heard that technasia are really good but i get tha feeling that it's just 2 guys with computers and i saw orbital last year at glastonbury which ripped my head off!
maybe some complete human / computer interaction like final scratch but with instruments and people jamming........
hmmm i wonder?

[anyoneveryone]

the Advent live is a bit of a one man kickdown to say the least! (although it is just Cisco moving behind a laptop and some drum machines- albeit in a very funky way) and some of his stuff (esp the newer singles) sound quite fresh to me.
Cari Lekebusch I still consider to be a pioneer, has a very trippy feel to his groove. Same with Chris McCormack- surely some of his output has to be considered innovative.

[Adverse]

my gosh doesn't seem like people read what the thread is actually about.

[crime]

Seriously people, Michael Forshaw LIVE, I know he might not be quite straight down the line for some of you guys, but he's putting a lot of the humor and party vibe back into it, along with having a real fresh electro techno sound... When he plays, he's not just there in front of his machines, he's full on hands in the air, screaming into a microphone, telling everyone to "Get up and move your arse" in a pitchshifted camp lancashire voice, and really getting the crowd hyped.... Kinda like Green Velvet meets the Royle Family

Oh yeah, you're listenin' to my beat now,
I want everybody around the edge of the dancefloor
To get on your mother****in feet
Put your drinks down
And walk toward the dancefloor
And start moving
That's what you ****in' paid for
Dance mother****er!

Michael Forshaw - Live PA 2002

[davethedrummer]

that does sound good actually
any links to his sets???

[ANDROID]

Mark E.G. and Dave the Drummer techno music has been adjasted to the date already,its like a car making,remmember cars 100 years ago?thay didnt have air conditioners and navigation system,thay do now but thay still make same job as 100 years ago,car get me around from A to B
So its the same with techno music,i don't think there will be another Jeff milles or Derrick May. :roll:

[anyoneveryone]

Hello Adverse- the thread got moved by Mr E.G. and my reply was in relation to Henry's live techno idea/question, as well as innovators who have pushed it forward. Thanks for being bored enough to point out such an anal detail- let's get out more often instead of just living up to your death metal name mate

'adverse- opposed, hostile,(an opinion; to our interests); placed opposite.'
Wow scary!!!

[Adverse]

ha ha ha ha ha. that was great.