the future of techno

[G-BO]

do you ppl know why the market collapsed in spain?
i will tell you because i saw it first hand:


too many producers thinking they were dark and cutting edge, putting out records that sounded the same and FORGETTING ABOUT THE AUDIENCE. now they have 30,000 producers with a cool rep and no gigs to play at. an audience who feels alienated by "dark music" that goes on from start to finish at events and ELITISM


yes i said it:


ELITISM - producers thinking they are too cool to work with folks in other styles etc. etc. etc.


when i agreed to do an MB selektions single, folks on the board laughed at me for crossing camps! mulero said he would not do a remix for the single because it "was not his style" now what? that "style" has a warehouse full of records that only sold 200 copies and what? james ruskin and claude young did an MB single?!?!?!? clutch the pearls! maybe we were wrong?!
you know how much shit i got for appearing on C. varella's black codes label?!?! but then when the record came out with regis on it lots of you charted it... hmmmmm


maybe we were cutting off our ears to spite our noses huh? maybe we shouldn't have been talking all that shit about other artists who weren't viewed as "dark" or "pounding".... but alas! it is too late! we have drwan lines between ourselves and the folks we should have been working with in order to diversify, and now we have painted ourselves into a corner! and what do we do? we sit in that corner and complain about it while alienating the folks who buy our records!


i am sick of all this drama, but when are you ppl going to understand that it ain't gotta be this way? stop drawing imaginary lines that you are scared to death to cross!


i may not play varella records very often, but talking to him about the future gives me more hope than talking to 90% of you lot.


if you guys still can't see the forest for the tress then, by all means, keep looking.

havent been on this forum long enough or often enough to understand some of the bitterness or direct provocation that seems to be directed to others or created by others....but im with this guy!!! :clap:

[dirty_bass]

Techno can be more than one thing, that is the point.
To call it purely dancefloor, for fun, or purely intellectual is against what it is.
It can be more than one thing.
But to only focus on one without the other may lead to inbreeding.
Diversity is the key to any expressive outlet.
It is fun, and it is serious, and it is angry and it is beautiful, and you can dance to it, and you can listen to it at home.
As long as there is some development.

[Martin Dust]

You guys are crazy :)

99.9 of the crowd aren't on BOA, wonder what they're doing - I bet they aint moaning or looking for the "key" to techno.

Judge me by my releases and what comes out of the speakers, I'm there for myself and the crowd, simple as.

[Jay Pace]

TECHNO IS NOT SOME ARTSY FARTSY outlet for you to show your intellectual superiority, IT IS ENTERTAINMET AND EXPRESSION.

Your opinion dude. And your shouting it from on top of your own high horse.

How come you get to define exactly what techno is and isn't?

Wouldn't it be simpler to accept that techno means different things to different people?

Then we could stop this drama queen routine of complaining and preaching about other people complaining and preaching.

People are always going to have differing opinions. Deal with it.

I think techno should be about connecting with crowds through rhythmn and energy, but this doesn't mean I have to dismiss everything else out of hand.

Room enough in this scene for all of us.

[G-BO]

its taken toll in so many forms, its hard to put a finger on what is the right direction and what is most interesting...as said ppl just need to do their own thing and label it how they please, without trying to force their views on others

[Martin Dust]

It happens on all forums, but where does it say that we all have to get on or indeed act like dicks? The thing to do is take a long hard look at your input and decide what you want to do. It's no good saying this place sucks without trying to change with some posts or ideas...

[G-BO]

its alwasy good to hear what other ppl think, even if they arent doing the same thing as ya

[Dustin Zahn]

HAhaha, this discussion again. It's about that time for the monthly techno pep talk I guess. I'm with Adverse, Gunny, and Martin Dust for the most part.

While everybody on here pisses and moans and talks about doing something, the rest of the world will move on and offer other alternatives. Maybe not tomorrow or next week, but eventually. That's nature. Spend less time on the web chatting about things you'll never do, quick strokin' each other (95% of the tracks on BOA will not sell guaranteed), and spend more time in the studio. The market hasn't disappeared, it's simply moved on without you or left you in the dust. There is tons of amazing music coming out on the regular, and believe it or not there are still people buying records (mostly minimal at the moment unfortunately). They just want something different. I need to hear another poor Glenn Wilson or Joris Voorn knock-off like I need another hole in my head.

You guys take this techno discussion too seriously. The outside world doesn't pay attention to these forums because they're too busy partying and enjoying whats already out there. To be honest, the less I read forums like these the more fun I have and interest I develop in techno. I just check these kind of sites out of bordem and curiosity to be connected to the outside world and it's usually nothing but a buzzkill.

[dan the acid man]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.
this scene, for want of a better word, needs to stand together.
Im sure im not alone in listening to all styles of techno, yes I love tracks made for the floor, tracks that maybe don’t take themselves as seriously as others, but I also love listening to darker, more emotional music.
So people wouldn’t class a lot of plastikmans music as techno then, as a lot of the tracks off those albums wasn’t made for the floor.

Anyway, this discussion isn’t about this is it

[Martin Dust]

That's true Dustin, but forums have the power to do some good and god knows I get slaughtered enough on my own but I can see the good they do, what most people don't see is that 99.9% of the crowd aren't on the forum and they don't give a shit, life is to dang short.

[Martin Dust]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.
this scene, for want of a better word, needs to stand together.
Im sure im not alone in listening to all styles of techno, yes I love tracks made for the floor, tracks that maybe don’t take themselves as seriously as others, but I also love listening to darker, more emotional music.
So people wouldn’t class a lot of plastikmans music as techno then, as a lot of the tracks off those albums wasn’t made for the floor.

Anyway, this discussion isn’t about this is it

Actually, the more I think about it - we could do with some techno drive-bys - never did no harm to hip-hop

[AcidTrash]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.
this scene, for want of a better word, needs to stand together.
Im sure im not alone in listening to all styles of techno, yes I love tracks made for the floor, tracks that maybe don’t take themselves as seriously as others, but I also love listening to darker, more emotional music.
So people wouldn’t class a lot of plastikmans music as techno then, as a lot of the tracks off those albums wasn’t made for the floor.

Anyway, this discussion isn’t about this is it

Yeah but if the Mark EG forum isn't a place where we can celebrate tunes made for the floor without being made to feel intelectually or artistically inferior by smug humourless knowitall twunts where the f*ck can we?

[dan the acid man]

haha yeah, that would get all the kids into techno again

[Aratron]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.
this scene, for want of a better word, needs to stand together.
Im sure im not alone in listening to all styles of techno, yes I love tracks made for the floor, tracks that maybe don’t take themselves as seriously as others, but I also love listening to darker, more emotional music.
So people wouldn’t class a lot of plastikmans music as techno then, as a lot of the tracks off those albums wasn’t made for the floor.

Anyway, this discussion isn’t about this is it

Yeah but if the Mark EG forum isn't a place where we can celebrate tunes made for the floor without being made to feel intelectually or artistically inferior by smug humourless knowitall twunts where the f*ck can we?

think -tive = think ban wtf is that all about

[Akkachar]

i find techno pretty gayish...

this won't lead to anything, so cut the crap...

[Adverse]

i don't know what half of you are on about but the plot has been lost. this isn't about the outside crowd or finding the key to techno. this is about the inside track the producers and label owners/ distirbutors. the people who make techno techno and this board is a bloody microcosm of that.the shitty market in techno for the buyers and sellers is a result of lack of coordinated effort in organization and pompous nepotism. it's bloody anarchy out there and the two faces are running amok. it's a facelss business with no accountability. ask any fledgling label owner if he's ever met anyone remotely connected with selling his record. i'm talking about real accountability for everyone involved. not i made a track last week and it's being put out this week.

these atttudes not only on this board but pan techno are a result of this.

[dan the acid man]

Yeah but if the Mark EG forum isn't a place where we can celebrate tunes made for the floor without being made to feel intelectually or artistically inferior by smug humourless knowitall twunts where the f*ck can we?

i only saw this a few times when the acid techno section was with the techno section, but i cant say ive seen it since

[Adverse]

i don't know what half of you are on about but the plot has been lost. this isn't about the outside crowd or finding the key to techno. this is about the inside track the producers and label owners/ distirbutors. the people who make techno techno and this board is a bloody microcosm of that.the shitty market in techno for the buyers and sellers is a result of lack of coordinated effort in organization and pompous nepotism. it's bloody anarchy out there and the two faces are running amok. it's a facelss business with no accountability. ask any fledgling label owner if he's ever met anyone remotely connected with selling his record. i'm talking about real accountability for everyone involved. not i made a track last week and it's being put out this week.

these atttudes not only on this board but pan techno are a result of this.

[Martin Dust]

What would you like to happen Adverse, even if it's only this board?

[dirty_bass]

accountability
Hell yeah
the whole business side of things does need an overhaul.
It`s almost set up to **** you up in a way.
Better legal advice is also probably a real good idea.
In fact, there`s something I can do in this area.
My best mate is a professor in law, and is righting various papers on copyright and so on, and has told me that he will give free legal advice to poeple I put him onto from the independant music biz.

I`m gonna see if I can get him to sign up to the board and maybe get some posts online that can educate people a little.