the future of techno

[Adverse]

is not in the music but in it's politics. case in point is the childishly frivolous attitudes this board houses. a scene that allows people to act as if they've created a classical symphony after a few sophmoric and sketchy releases is one doomed to stagnate in mediocrity and lawless degeneration. techno needs an umbrella organization that is subjected to standards of release with real houses for criticism and friendship alike. the failure of any humility on the part of many producers on this board is typical of the kind of people who allow it to go on. and it's nepotistic/clic tendancies are servile to nothing but negativity within the community.

i have much more to say but that's the gist of it. one man's tryingly objective opinion.. i have no stakes nor am i here for popularity. i just observe.

the time to put an end to this... really.

sincerely mark.

i know there are some intelligent people here i've spoken to you... you know you can do better than this...

[gunjack]

well said mark!

[Sunil]

To be honest I've near enough had enough of this place. I've tried, and probably wasted too much time here as a result. There's a good community here and some people with interesting opinions and useful knowledge. I dunno though, although I check these forums regularly I'm starting to see it as pretty pointless to be involved anymore.

[stjohn]

To be honest I've near enough had enough of this place. I've tried, and probably wasted too much time here as a result. There's a good community here and some people with interesting opinions and useful knowledge. I dunno though, although I check these forums regularly I'm starting to see it as pretty pointless to be involved anymore.

i might have thought the opposite!

i know theres always a load of stupid discussions + arguments, but i usually ignore them, and dont bother posting. i find it exhilerating to see so many heads passionate about the exact same thing that im passionate about, even though im a little irish no-one! ;) it kinda makes me want to get my shit together and then share it back out

[dirty_bass]

I think people are staring to make interesting comments.
And thankfully, the humour seems to be coming back.

I do agree with Mark and his post.

There really does need to be some more fraternity within the community, rather than people clawing over each other to get to the top of a shrinking scene.
MeMeMe needs to turn into We We We

It`s odd though.

When you do open your arms and offer to help people, you get shot at, or just nothing at all.

Apathy?

hehe, the setting up of a techno council seems to be the upshot of marks post, not sure I`m with that exactly, but maybe there should be a more concious effort to pull together rather than stand in clique.

[dirty_bass]

And yeah, humour, humility and fun needs to come back.
Things get way to serious sometimes.

[stjohn]

hehe, the setting up of a techno council seems to be the upshot of marks post, not sure I`m with that exactly, but maybe there should be a more concious effort to pull together rather than stand in clique.

maybe if it was like the pure blood Vampire council in BLADE! then it would be cool!

[gunjack]

To be honest I've near enough had enough of this place. I've tried, and probably wasted too much time here as a result. There's a good community here and some people with interesting opinions and useful knowledge. I dunno though, although I check these forums regularly I'm starting to see it as pretty pointless to be involved anymore.

ditto

[gunjack]

There really does need to be some more fraternity within the community, rather than people clawing over each other to get to the top of a shrinking scene.

ummmmm last time i checked, YOU JUMPED SHIP on our community. remember?

The problem is, I want to go waaaay beyond techno

this is the problem right here. see, i like to make other kinds of music too but i wouldn't put them "beyond" another style because each style has it's value. you are always talking about "beyond" this and "above" that, while the rest of us are trying to keep our favorite music alive.

[Adverse]

hehe, the setting up of a techno council seems to be the upshot of marks post, not sure I`m with that exactly, but maybe there should be a more concious effort to pull together rather than stand in clique.

maybe if it was like the pure blood Vampire council in BLADE! then it would be cool!

this isn't meant to be cool. serious if you are happy with seemingly almost complete decimation of techno in the last 4 years you should be taking my post rather seriously.

[dirty_bass]

There really does need to be some more fraternity within the community, rather than people clawing over each other to get to the top of a shrinking scene.

ummmmm last time i checked, YOU JUMPED SHIP on our community. remember?

The problem is, I want to go waaaay beyond techno

this is the problem right here. see, i like to make other kinds of music too but i wouldn't put them "beyond" another style because each style has it's value. you are always talking about "beyond" this and "above" that, while the rest of us are trying to keep our favorite music alive.

If by jumping ship you mean, turning my label over to new techno producers I respect then yes, I jumped.

Techno is great, but musically limited in terms of pure art, so yes, I want to go beyond it, for my own personal journey.
Doesn`t mean I won`t still make it or listen to it.

However, I think by making the above comments you are, in fact, doing the opposite of marks comments that you agreed with/

If you want to carry this on, really, get mark to open the vex forum, I think it`s a little childish dragging it all around the board.

Although for me, the subject is hisotry allready.

[dirty_bass]

Now, as for the subject in question.
really what can we do?

Ego and greed cause a lot of the problems and to eliminate it is very hard.
More genuine acts of fraternity?

It is happening, with Glens public demo rollcall for templ8
I myself am turning future DB Releases to be mainly new talent.
I`ve seen a few other offers and similar things happening.
The club side of things is a little different, as there is a very competative streak that causes some nsty behaviour sometimes between promiters.

I dunno, it`s a real mindbender and something I¬m gonna have a good think about.

Definitely a good post though Mark.

[Adverse]

it should be remembered that this isn't a time for personal gripes it's a time for suggestive unity and collaboration in comunication. or calling out people you think are responsible for said behaviour.... i could of done that and people who know me know i would of started at the top.

but that isn't damage control. that's just fanning the flames of discontent.

[Vin-iLL]

Mark, thank you for this mirror!

[stjohn]

hehe, the setting up of a techno council seems to be the upshot of marks post, not sure I`m with that exactly, but maybe there should be a more concious effort to pull together rather than stand in clique.

maybe if it was like the pure blood Vampire council in BLADE! then it would be cool!

this isn't meant to be cool. serious if you are happy with seemingly almost complete decimation of techno in the last 4 years you should be taking my post rather seriously.

i did take it seriously, and i understand your frustration with it all, maybe if i had been around as long as the heads i might be the same, but ALAS, i havnt, so forgiveness please!

so where can you take it from here, some kind a quality control label/stamp?

"this tune has been approved by 'QUIET' quality underground industrial electronic TECHNO" with a big Q stamp on it." (no snottiness in that remark, just a passing idea.)

seriously though could industry standards be introduced similar to contruction&trade?

[gunjack]

this isn't about a personal gripe.

a guy like dirty is the perfect exaple of the folks that ruin what we build.

they segregate themselves and look down on folks because they think techno is "stagnant", well hey! why not make a tune that sounds fresh then and stop complaining?


dirty bass, folks like you are ther reason there is internal beef in techno, you just can't help but get on your high horse even though you freely admit that the "history" of this music doesn't interest you.


how did this music get started? it was the idea of using emerging technologies to make new music and make ppl move. TECHNO IS NOT SOME ARTSY FARTSY outlet for you to show your intellectual superiority, IT IS ENTERTAINMET AND EXPRESSION.

folks seem to forget that this is PARTY MUSIC and while we can make deep and intenese compositions within the structure of that, at the end of the day, you won't hear techno in carnegie hall or a f ucking musem.


THE FUTURE OF TECHNO?



how about getting off out high horses and rocking the crowd? how about working within the skeletal foundations to initiate change?



HOW ABOUT PUTTING OUT RECORDS INSTEAD OF BITCHING ON THE INTERNET ABOUT WHAT IS WRONG WITH TECHNO?

[dirty_bass]

who`s bitching?

[gunjack]

do you ppl know why the market collapsed in spain?
i will tell you because i saw it first hand:


too many producers thinking they were dark and cutting edge, putting out records that sounded the same and FORGETTING ABOUT THE AUDIENCE. now they have 30,000 producers with a cool rep and no gigs to play at. an audience who feels alienated by "dark music" that goes on from start to finish at events and ELITISM


yes i said it:


ELITISM - producers thinking they are too cool to work with folks in other styles etc. etc. etc.


when i agreed to do an MB selektions single, folks on the board laughed at me for crossing camps! mulero said he would not do a remix for the single because it "was not his style" now what? that "style" has a warehouse full of records that only sold 200 copies and what? james ruskin and claude young did an MB single?!?!?!? clutch the pearls! maybe we were wrong?!
you know how much shit i got for appearing on C. varella's black codes label?!?! but then when the record came out with regis on it lots of you charted it... hmmmmm


maybe we were cutting off our ears to spite our noses huh? maybe we shouldn't have been talking all that shit about other artists who weren't viewed as "dark" or "pounding".... but alas! it is too late! we have drwan lines between ourselves and the folks we should have been working with in order to diversify, and now we have painted ourselves into a corner! and what do we do? we sit in that corner and complain about it while alienating the folks who buy our records!


i am sick of all this drama, but when are you ppl going to understand that it ain't gotta be this way? stop drawing imaginary lines that you are scared to death to cross!


i may not play varella records very often, but talking to him about the future gives me more hope than talking to 90% of you lot.


if you guys still can't see the forest for the tress then, by all means, keep looking.

[AcidTrash]

this isn't about a personal gripe.

a guy like dirty is the perfect exaple of the folks that ruin what we build.

they segregate themselves and look down on folks because they think techno is "stagnant", well hey! why not make a tune that sounds fresh then and stop complaining?


dirty bass, folks like you are ther reason there is internal beef in techno, you just can't help but get on your high horse even though you freely admit that the "history" of this music doesn't interest you.


how did this music get started? it was the idea of using emerging technologies to make new music and make ppl move. TECHNO IS NOT SOME ARTSY FARTSY outlet for you to show your intellectual superiority, IT IS ENTERTAINMET AND EXPRESSION.

folks seem to forget that this is PARTY MUSIC and while we can make deep and intenese compositions within the structure of that, at the end of the day, you won't hear techno in carnegie hall or a f ucking musem.


THE FUTURE OF TECHNO?



how about getting off out high horses and rocking the crowd? how about working within the skeletal foundations to initiate change?



HOW ABOUT PUTTING OUT RECORDS INSTEAD OF BITCHING ON THE INTERNET ABOUT WHAT IS WRONG WITH TECHNO?

:clap: :clap: :lol:

[gunjack]

the last time we had this discussion, i recieved a p.m. from someone who really summed it up. this person prefers to remain anonymous, but i am gonna quote the p.m. i recieved during the last bout of "future of techno" anyway. here it is:

There are way too many preening egotists overintellectualising techno and forgetting about the spirit of techno. Some people on here have completely forgotton what techno is about and some poeople, mentioning no names, should get the f*ck off BOA because the way they want to stear their music simply isn't techno.

I feel that if people are looking for an intellectual challenge they should really be doing something else other than techno. IT's fun music for fun people and the way these guys talk about it makes us look like deranged bitter snobs with no real zest for life or techno. I bet some of these people don't even dance at clubs if they even go to them at all. We need motivated DJ's and producers, and not bitter critics.

Talent is secondary to enthusiasm in my book. I'd rather pick up people with a can do attitude and half the skill than experts who make a beautiful thing a tiresome routine.

I've been considering saying the same but its all a bit touchy at the moment and I've spoken my mind once too often to be bothered doing it again so I salute your for having the courage to stand up and say these things. Someone needed to.

indeed!