the future of techno

[AcidTrash]

It does look like this thread has been hijacked for people to get stuff off their chest which is fine. I think people are reading the title as "The fututre of BOA forum" somehow.

The way for techno to really improve is to stop relying on the web to get the word out about stuff. People seem to think that the web will do all the work for them when promoting and that just posting the odd flyer on a forum is how it's done. This is a lesson that needs to be unlearned. I have recently found in many areas in my life that the biggest successes I've had have been when I've stopped hiding behind a computer screen and made phone calls and personal visits. There is no substitute for "pressing the flesh" as any politician can tell you.

The web is an exclusive and insular place and you're olnlly going to find our generation of techno if you're looking for it. We've got to stop preaching to the converted all the time and start getting out there in peoples faces with it.

Techno promotion is not something 1 person can do and theres too many people trying to go it alone. this is simply not the way. You've got to create a buzz and it takes at least 4 people to get a buzz going.

Co-operation is key. You want this thing to live? you got to work for it and sitting clicking refresh on your browser every 10 minutes counts for sweet F A

[Martin Dust]

i don't know what half of you are on about but the plot has been lost. this isn't about the outside crowd or finding the key to techno. this is about the inside track the producers and label owners/ distirbutors. the people who make techno techno and this board is a bloody microcosm of that.the shitty market in techno for the buyers and sellers is a result of lack of coordinated effort in organization and pompous nepotism. it's bloody anarchy out there and the two faces are running amok. it's a facelss business with no accountability. ask any fledgling label owner if he's ever met anyone remotely connected with selling his record. i'm talking about real accountability for everyone involved. not i made a track last week and it's being put out this week.

these atttudes not only on this board but pan techno are a result of this.

I disagree, I'm out in the clubs, shops and know who sells my stuff and I offer them my support. Sure, it's tough but good records always find a good home I find.

[Martin Dust]

It does look like this thread has been hijacked for people to get stuff off their chest which is fine. I think people are reading the title as "The fututre of BOA forum" somehow.

The way for techno to really improve is to stop relying on the web to get the word out about stuff. People seem to think that the web will do all the work for them when promoting and that just posting the odd flyer on a forum is how it's done. This is a lesson that needs to be unlearned. I have recently found in many areas in my life that the biggest successes I've had have been when I've stopped hiding behind a computer screen and made phone calls and personal visits. There is no substitute for "pressing the flesh" as any politician can tell you.

The web is an exclusive and insular place and you're olnlly going to find our generation of techno if you're looking for it. We've got to stop preaching to the converted all the time and start getting out there in peoples faces with it.

Techno promotion is not something 1 person can do and theres too many people trying to go it alone. this is simply not the way. You've got to create a buzz and it takes at least 4 people to get a buzz going.

Co-operation is key. You want this thing to live? you got to work for it and sitting clicking refresh on your browser every 10 minutes counts for sweet F A

This is absolutely correct, while the net helps, it isn't the complete answer, perhaps this is the biggest mistake people make.

[gunjack]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.

don't be daft man, anone who has heard any one of my records knows my style is dark. i wasn't bitching about techno being to dark i was making the point that, just because some of us make darker music than others does not give us the right to look down on folks. maybe try READING the post before you answer a post.

TECHNO IS NOT SOME ARTSY FARTSY outlet for you to show your intellectual superiority, IT IS ENTERTAINMET AND EXPRESSION.

Your opinion dude. And your shouting it from on top of your own high horse.

How come you get to define exactly what techno is and isn't?

Wouldn't it be simpler to accept that techno means different things to different people?

Then we could stop this drama queen routine of complaining and preaching about other people complaining and preaching.

People are always going to have differing opinions. Deal with it.

I think techno should be about connecting with crowds through rhythmn and energy, but this doesn't mean I have to dismiss everything else out of hand.

Room enough in this scene for all of us.

again, maybe try READING the post. that is exactly what i was saying. room enough for all of us and respect enough not to talk down to eachother. BOY FOLKS REALLY DON'T READ BEFORE THEY POST DO THEY?!

[gunjack]

boy what a bunch of rocket surgeons we got up in here eh? :lol:

[eyes without a face]

i think where a person lives has a bearing on their view of current techno, the scene etc etc ... i disagree solid on a few of the points in here, mainly this from Acid

Techno promotion is not something 1 person can do and theres too many people trying to go it alone. this is simply not the way. You've got to create a buzz and it takes at least 4 people to get a buzz going.


i can see your point, definately, but i have to disagree. I do all my own promotion, i get in touch with all the labels, the producers, i build my own bridges and i reap what i sow from this, any promotion of the records or gigs ive harnessed afterwards is down to the discretion of the label owner or club owner

BUT

on the flipside i do agree on the whole that there is a big dividing line between alot of producers and id like to see this erased a little, and all i can feel is that its down to personal problems, people with ego's getting way above themselves, people developing these ego's before your eyes and thus resulting with huge dismay and friction at times, people talking behind your back and then wanting to talk afterwards etc, people forget that there are normal people behind these artists and the same shit that goes down in the workplace, in the factories, between supermarket staff etc goes on between artists, bitching, petty arguments, people getting cliquey..

if people dont see this then thats when there really is a problem, its those that do see it and try to do something about that please me, this thread was great to read before it was hijacked ever so slightly, and i totally get Mark's point, he knows the score definately.

i for one have a group of friends mainly off this board, all producers, that id consider part of an unofficial "group" as it were, nothing official of course that would be a bit odd, but friends who produce, and give critique, and pull me or others down when we get uppity, but i do find that some in that group seem to pull away and ego's take over etc, its a damn damn shame that people with good souls tend to get led of the path somewhat in the ignorant hope of improving their situation in what they do.... but in saying this i like to stand on my own 2 feet, i have strong, solid opinions and i stay true to them, even if it means disagreeing with friends, its a true friend who can take this on board and learn from it...

phew, this is a deep thread when you really get thinking, but the problems there, but i also know people know its time to do something about it

fingers crossed!

[AcidTrash]

I wasw talking about clubs not DJ careers.

[eyes without a face]

its still applicable, i know people who have run clubs on their own and done it well, there's no rule saying you need 4 or more people to get a buzz going, you need a passion and someone willing to work hard thats all

[dan the acid man]

Surely bitching about some forms of techno being too dark and serious to be classed as techno is going against whats needed here.

don't be daft man, anone who has heard any one of my records knows my style is dark. i wasn't bitching about techno being to dark i was making the point that, just because some of us make darker music than others does not give us the right to look down on folks. maybe try READING the post before you answer a post.

my post was more in response to that pm you posted, rather than your posts

again, maybe try READING the post. that is exactly what i was saying. room enough for all of us and respect enough not to talk down to eachother. BOY FOLKS REALLY DON'T READ BEFORE THEY POST DO THEY?![/quote]

[deaf mosaic]

more rocket surgery on my part then ;)

[dan the acid man]

no, i should have made it more clearer by quoting.

anyway back on topic

[Jay Pace]

I still think all techno tracks should include the word "techno" at least once.

Funky tracks should include mandatory slap bass (the undisputed sound of funk)

Hard tracks should have to include a big piece of metal clanking.

More regulation. Fines for noncompliance.

Persistant offenders to be locked in stocks and pelted with fruit.

[MARKEG]

Quote from Adverse:

techno needs an umbrella organization that is subjected to standards of release with real houses for criticism and friendship alike. the failure of any humility on the part of many producers on this board is typical of the kind of people who allow it to go on. and it's nepotistic/clic tendancies are servile to nothing but negativity within the community.

ME:

Have you not been in the Techno Production Forums recently? Everyone helps each other out and tries to be constructive. Great. Humity? No. This is disgusting. Humiliation is wrong. Helpful feedback is right. So you really think humiliation is the way forward? Deary me, I know you better than that Mark. But I do agree with something you said there. We need some quality control on techno for sure and that CAN be achieved with humble feedback ;)


Quote from Martin Dust:

It happens on all forums, but where does it say that we all have to get on or indeed act like dicks? The thing to do is take a long hard look at your input and decide what you want to do. It's no good saying this place sucks without trying to change with some posts or ideas...

ME:

Wow. Someone can see this????!!! We have such a great thing here. Why do ppl always talk about the topics but never think how it affects our community when they go off on one. Why do they never think about the time and effort we've all put in, from mods to posters to me to all of us that have something to say, and at least have a little respect. Adverse tells me in one post that efffectively this community is shit. And so do loads more all the time. Well thanks alot guys, I'm glad I sit up all night and day trying to Admin all this crap. Why not just find another board instead of moaning that this one's shit. Instead, just be constructive. PM me if you find a problem first, then post that our community is shit it's not solved. Surely you can see if I get the board right from the offset, it would be better than firing the whole place up, especially as it's so public. If I'm not doing something which is fueling problems, and it needs to be sorted - I NEED to know. Honest guys, if you have a thought on how to make this place better, please pm me ;)

Dustin:

HAhaha, this discussion again. It's about that time for the monthly techno pep talk I guess. I'm with Adverse, Gunny, and Martin Dust for the most part.

Me:

Well I do think Gunny's post there was great. Adverse? Love ya man but I wish you've stop moaning Hahaha. Martin? Wicked.

Dustin:

While everybody on here pisses and moans and talks about doing something, the rest of the world will move on and offer other alternatives. Maybe not tomorrow or next week, but eventually. That's nature. Spend less time on the web chatting about things you'll never do, quick strokin' each other (95% of the tracks on BOA will not sell guaranteed), and spend more time in the studio. The market hasn't disappeared, it's simply moved on without you or left you in the dust. There is tons of amazing music coming out on the regular, and believe it or not there are still people buying records (mostly minimal at the moment unfortunately). They just want something different. I need to hear another poor Glenn Wilson or Joris Voorn knock-off like I need another hole in my head.

ME:

Me too. But you have to have a balance I think between the moaning and the +ve shit on boards. I think that was Adverse's point slightly. We can't lick each others balls, but I do think it's gone too much the other way recently on here and as the guy who made the god damn board I have to sort this out. I WILL sort this out. Why wake up to a load of moaning and ppl hating each other and the whole world? I don't want this. I too happy in my life to read this. Time to sort this crap out I think. The +ve ppl need to stay and the -ve need to go. Just gimme a week. Radical changes afoot ;)


Acid Trash:

Yeah but if the Mark EG forum isn't a place where we can celebrate tunes made for the floor without being made to feel intelectually or artistically inferior by smug humourless knowitall twunts where the f*ck can we?

ME:

Well it started as my forum but it obviously seems I have lost control somewhere. I only ever wanted a place for those of the same mission to chat and it's developing into something of a techno snobs fighting pit. I think the real key and the only key left on a public internet forum is to be +ve, and if you are going to slate, at least have respect and the community's interests at heart. I have respect for the intellectuals who make techno, just as i have respect for those who make it in a squat. we're all the same - PEOPLE - at the end of the day. Anyway, I have to have a long hard think about this. Anyway, great post. Thanks to Adverse for making it (shame you couldn't have worded it slightly different though cause it's not exactly doing alot for our community is it ya bugger)



Adverse:

don't know what half of you are on about but the plot has been lost. this isn't about the outside crowd or finding the key to techno. this is about the inside track the producers and label owners/ distirbutors. the people who make techno techno and this board is a bloody microcosm of that.the shitty market in techno for the buyers and sellers is a result of lack of coordinated effort in organization and pompous nepotism. it's bloody anarchy out there and the two faces are running amok. it's a facelss business with no accountability. ask any fledgling label owner if he's ever met anyone remotely connected with selling his record. i'm talking about real accountability for everyone involved. not i made a track last week and it's being put out this week.

these atttudes not only on this board but pan techno are a result of this.


ME:

Mate, I could have told you this 4 years ago. But this is now a totally different subject to the one you posted. This is really what is wrong with techno and any form of underground music. No accountability. No business sense. No quality control. Agree 100%. But there are ppl out there, like Martin, who are thinking bigger and better than the majority. And I applaude that. But we all have to learn and we all have to start somewhere. It's all a learning process. If you're running your own business you live by your own rules eh and make them up and you go. Martin's learnt what he's learn from years of trying. So have I. So there's always gonna be ppl who don't know what they're doing in underground music. Quit moaning and get to the top of the tree and then make your difference. Prob is in techno we only have 10% at the top and 90% learning. We need to encourage those 90%, not knock them for knowing nothing.

Anyway ppl, some big changes need to be made here. Anything that concerns the future of techno concerns the future of this forum in my eyes. OK that's enough ranting from me. Sorry about the mistakes, I'm a bit tired. Please PM me with your thoughts on what I should do for the forum to make it better if you get time ;)

[Adverse]

you think i'm moaning.. this is reality mark. and the fact that you just said yourself that nobody knows the true nature of what has been happening i just cause for "moaning". if you want to call it that. this was well intentioned topic and if you can't see that then the line of positivity has been blurred.

secondly learning HUMILITY not HUMILIATION.. is an important fact of life... and upon these forums lately there is a total lack of it. i would never humiliate anyone trying to express themselves. learning humility in criticism BEING HUMBLE. nevermind that it's gotten to the point of total backwashing it doesn't even matter who's gotten talent or vision anymore.

anyways.

respect to martin.

[Adverse]

nevermind that it's gotten to the point of total backwashing it doesn't even matter who's gotten talent or vision anymore..

i meant in the techno production forum.

[basslinejunkie]

something ive spotted recently is people over-reacting,or taking themselves or even the music or the issues they raise to seriously.why do we love techno? because its fun.everyone seems to be picking the bones out of it recently,concentrating on the bad rather than the good.

some of gunjacks early posts in this topic were 100per cent spot on for me,i mean the guy ( a fellow techno lover) posts in the promo section that hes got a new realese planned which hes obviously chuffed about,and people start to sharpen their knives.i can totally understand why he flipped.

anywayz,i think theres to much ego/testosterone flyin around this place at the moment.

im here because i love the music simple as that.i do all i can for the future of techno by buying the records i like.

[Dustin Zahn]

Quote from Adverse:
Dustin:

HAhaha, this discussion again. It's about that time for the monthly techno pep talk I guess. I'm with Adverse, Gunny, and Martin Dust for the most part.

Me:

Well I do think Gunny's post there was great. Adverse? Love ya man but I wish you've stop moaning Hahaha. Martin? Wicked.

Dustin:

While everybody on here pisses and moans and talks about doing something, the rest of the world will move on and offer other alternatives. Maybe not tomorrow or next week, but eventually. That's nature. Spend less time on the web chatting about things you'll never do, quick strokin' each other (95% of the tracks on BOA will not sell guaranteed), and spend more time in the studio. The market hasn't disappeared, it's simply moved on without you or left you in the dust. There is tons of amazing music coming out on the regular, and believe it or not there are still people buying records (mostly minimal at the moment unfortunately). They just want something different. I need to hear another poor Glenn Wilson or Joris Voorn knock-off like I need another hole in my head.

ME:

Me too. But you have to have a balance I think between the moaning and the +ve shit on boards. I think that was Adverse's point slightly. We can't lick each others balls, but I do think it's gone too much the other way recently on here and as the guy who made the god damn board I have to sort this out. I WILL sort this out. Why wake up to a load of moaning and ppl hating each other and the whole world? I don't want this. I too happy in my life to read this. Time to sort this crap out I think. The +ve ppl need to stay and the -ve need to go. Just gimme a week. Radical changes afoot ;)

First off, I thought their posts were great. That's why I chose to respond. My comment towards the thread title was simply because it seems there is one of these every other week.

I hope you do sort things out. When I first discovered BOA I thought it was a very good read.

I'm just finding it humorous that people sit around talk about making things happen yet they never do. These are the same people making/DJing nearly direct clones of material that has been done to death. My point was, stop talking and start doing.

[dirty_bass]

something ive spotted recently is people over-reacting,or taking themselves or even the music or the issues they raise to seriously.why do we love techno? because its fun.everyone seems to be picking the bones out of it recently,concentrating on the bad rather than the good.

some of gunjacks early posts in this topic were 100per cent spot on for me,i mean the guy ( a fellow techno lover) posts in the promo section that hes got a new realese planned which hes obviously chuffed about,and people start to sharpen their knives.i can totally understand why he flipped.

anywayz,i think theres to much ego/testosterone flyin around this place at the moment.

im here because i love the music simple as that.i do all i can for the future of techno by buying the records i like.

well this was also unprovoked

dirty_bass wrote:
How cool is this?
Good to see a top bod removing the barrier of clique to open the doors to diversity and art.
Respect.
clap



dude, why don't you just crawl up glenns arse and get it over with?

but I just didn`t make a huge song and a dance about the whole affair.
But no one leapt to my defence.

So all is fair in love and war.

Can we get over it now please.

[gunjack]

oh god steeve, GROW UP. you were obviously antagonizing me. there i was, i was obviously stoked about my new release and you were just F UCKING WITH ME WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A MODERATOR.


dude, did you really need to bring this up again when we have a vex thread going?

[DJAmok]

mark eg:

techno snob fighting pit

nuff said :clap:






why is everyone so pissed off these days?