you think i'm moaning.. this is reality mark. and the fact that you just said yourself that nobody knows the true nature of what has been happening i just cause for "moaning". if you want to call it that. this was well intentioned topic and if you can't see that then the line of positivity has been blurred.

secondly learning HUMILITY not HUMILIATION.. is an important fact of life... and upon these forums lately there is a total lack of it. i would never humiliate anyone trying to express themselves. learning humility in criticism BEING HUMBLE. nevermind that it's gotten to the point of total backwashing it doesn't even matter who's gotten talent or vision anymore.

anyways.

respect to martin.