Jerome Hill

[T]

perhaps it's time for him to get out and do his own thing i'm sure it would work as many of you will agree im sure that it's very much the vibe of the shop that counts in many peoples minds y'know, the staff and their knowledge is what brings you back time and time again and no one has more knowledge in his feild than jerome i think
let's hope things pick up
in fact get active and go down there and get some blinding new records!
tracheadz- kentish town high road ( can't remeber the number but it's roughly in the middle of kentish town and camden town tube stations.

Definitley, staff are so helpful there....no matter who you are, great range of music also.

[DJZeMig_L]

well not really sure... supose so... I've heard of 1 from 97 (the mixing is ) and one from Geneve.. I think there is also somethin from Germany !?

Gimme yer addy I'll try 2 get some over 4 ya... but really don't get yer expectations really high on my djing :?

Z

[T]

Mr Ze Mig L, I picked up one of your tunes a while ago, 'crank em knobs EP' on fined?
jackin stuff mate, 2 tracks on their i really like, on in particular, got a bit of breakbeat in their somewhere and nice and funky. good effort!

[Angrymann]

I saw him at the Dogma that someone was referring to (yes it is in Edinburgh) and I thought it was quality. The boy looks well relaxed when he mixes and the scratching I thought was pretty good , seeing as he was only using a DJM 600 and not a scratch mixer , not seen many folk who can scratch that well not using a scratch mixer. But that said I have never ****ed about with the cross fader adjustments on that mixer , so it could be a simple flick of a switch.

Anyway , I am blabbering here. I thought he was a breath of fresh air compared to some dj's and I think that is why people may be talking about him. Like Dave said , he has played with him at the Squat parties many times , so people going to these will be well aware of his style , but those punters paying in to most Techno clubs , won't have heard anything like it.

Most dj's turn up , play tunes and leave. Most of the time it's just 4/4 , little or no tricks and little or no variation of stlye or tune.

[crime]

Word

[DJZeMig_L]

Hey T thankz... Fined is /was (dunno really if it's going 2 continue @ this time) my label so I kinda alowed myself 2 go where I wanted :)
But then again I kinda always did that anywayz lol...

I think U'd probably like FIned 1 (try integrale) and maybe Holzplatten 61 (try Neuton)! ;)

Thankz 4 the kind words!

:)

Z

[Tony]

jerome is the king of wonk!!!
a good mate now, can have an ace laugh with him. his mix cd he sent me was amazing.

mark: you may not find this sound innovative because its been around a few years, but what hasnt and you must realise that wonk is a whole other industry. different distributors as well as a lot of the faves. its different to techno in the marketing aspect (blbehehghgh, gagging blood there!) i am extremely aware of this scene and on the crest of the wonk wave jeromes hanging ten (?!!?!)

HOG will be fantastic but i dont know if i'll be there or in london.

go to his shop!!! he is one of this countrys very few good buyers behind the counter.
go to the website. buy more records!!!!

[crime]

but what hasnt and you must realise that wonk is a whole other industry. different distributors as well as a lot of the faves. its different to techno in the marketing aspect (blbehehghgh, gagging blood there!)

I'm really sorry, but (IMHO) I've never read such a load of gibberish in my life... since when was techno about "Marketing" and "Industries"... Apologies Tony, I don't want you to take offence, but I feel the problem with techno these days is the fact that people want to catagorise is into nice little boxes they can understand.. Obviously this fits in well in a supposed "Business" Sense, unfortunatly not in the business of the kind of records we sell.... "Wonky" as a term was originally coined by Jerome, as he put it as a section in his shop, that was fair enough... to see it as any kind of "Scene" or "Movement" is insane... all it is is a few people in various different places getting the simelar ideas at a simelar point in time.. I.E. we were all bored of the Loop techno thing, and wanted to do something different, that was in the true spirit of techno i.e. sounds you've never heard before/futuristic music... To be honest, I personally would at least like to think it's a lot more part of the techno thing than a lot of stuff around at the moment, in the way it follows the spirit of innovation and stuff that actually sounds different (I.e.sounds you've never heard before, not just a drumloop).... Surely that's what it's all about?

[Sunil]

"Wonky" as a term was originally coined by Jerome, as he put it as a section in his shop

It was also coined "Pop n' jerk" at a record shop here in Dublin. Not sure if Ollie Moore was the guy that thought of the name or whether it was already in existence! I thought it was a good name anyway :)

[Sunil]

but what hasnt and you must realise that wonk is a whole other industry. different distributors as well as a lot of the faves. its different to techno in the marketing aspect (blbehehghgh, gagging blood there!)

I'm really sorry, but (IMHO) I've never read such a load of gibberish in my life... since when was techno about "Marketing" and "Industries"... Apologies Tony, I don't want you to take offence, but I feel the problem with techno these days is the fact that people want to catagorise is into nice little boxes they can understand.. Obviously this fits in well in a supposed "Business" Sense, unfortunatly not in the business of the kind of records we sell.... "Wonky" as a term was originally coined by Jerome, as he put it as a section in his shop, that was fair enough... to see it as any kind of "Scene" or "Movement" is insane... all it is is a few people in various different places getting the simelar ideas at a simelar point in time.. I.E. we were all bored of the Loop techno thing, and wanted to do something different, that was in the true spirit of techno i.e. sounds you've never heard before/futuristic music... To be honest, I personally would at least like to think it's a lot more part of the techno thing than a lot of stuff around at the moment, in the way it follows the spirit of innovation and stuff that actually sounds different (I.e.sounds you've never heard before, not just a drumloop).... Surely that's what it's all about?

I see what you are saying, I think the problem with "Wonky" as a sub genre is that it alienates people. If they hear one or two records from a "Wonky" producer that they don't like they will dismiss that whole band of producers entirely in the future. Landstrumm/Schmidt/Vogel etc. are often construed as the same person in a way, and only because they do things a bit differently and happen to know each other. It's like if someone doesn't like a tune by one of them, it'll be "I hate all that ****ed up stuff". Anyway let's hope Fergie will be caning the wonky in 2004!

[crime]

Thing is, Landstrumm Schmidt and Vogel are not the be all and end all of that kind of music, not on the dancefloor angle anyway.. they're been more on their album plots for the past few years, and just generally experimenting with music... and this is the problem with sweeping generalisations, you can't just say "It all sounds the same" in fact, I find it quite laughable that anyone who is into hard dancefloor techno, can say that anything else "All sounds the same", to me that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black, and people being generally scared of something different and wanting to stay in the safe realm of the 4/4 kickdrum and pumping groove....

[Angrymann]

Everyone I talk to these days is going on about , why are there so many sub divisions of techno and people creating sub genre's etc, most people get quite uppity and angry about it. Why???

The way I see it and it's quite simple , it actually has to be done now , because Techno has been expanded on so much , unlike any other form of electronic music as far as I know. In the beginning there was Berlin Techno , then I suppose it was Detroit Techno , then we ****ed about with it over here and formed UK Techno , then you could say there was a big wave of Swedish techno. All different plays on the same ORIGINAL STYLE of music which is TECHNO.

Nowadays however , Techno is bigger, it has to be subdivided because there are so many more records out , so many more labels , so many more guys trawling the record shops etc etc. So the guys in the shop have to know what you want so that they can get you records you like , otherwise we would all be in shops for about a week just saying " ME LIKE TECHNO , GIVE ME RECORD".

It's just what happens when people push the existing boundaries so much that it has to be slotted into it's own category , just to make it easier for folk.

It is bad in a way , because you may miss records cause you aren't listening to everything , but if you are in a club and you hear a track you haven't heard and you like it , you will ask what it's called and buy it , even if you thought you didn't like "wonk" or whatever.


If you like tracks enough you'll find them and if you don't that's your own fault for having preconceptions.

[crime]

I see what you are saying, I think the problem with "Wonky" as a sub genre is that it alienates people. If they hear one or two records from a "Wonky" producer that they don't like they will dismiss that whole band of producers entirely in the future. Landstrumm/Schmidt/Vogel etc. are often construed as the same person in a way, and only because they do things a bit differently and happen to know each other.

What is often forgotten is the fact that these people do a lot of different sounding stuff, so just hearing one track is not neccesarily a good indication of what the rest of their stuff is like....

[Sunil]

Thing is, Landstrumm Schmidt and Vogel are not the be all and end all of that kind of music, not on the dancefloor angle anyway.. they're been more on their album plots for the past few years, and just generally experimenting with music... and this is the problem with sweeping generalisations, you can't just say "It all sounds the same" in fact, I find it quite laughable that anyone who is into hard dancefloor techno, can say that anything else "All sounds the same", to me that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black, and people being generally scared of something different and wanting to stay in the safe realm of the 4/4 kickdrum and pumping groove....

I agree with you totally here. I know Lanstrumm and some of those guys are just some of the producers that may come under the banner we are discussing, I just thought i'd use them as an example. I am surprised by some people who dismiss styles other than straight dancefloor techno, especially those who may have been listening to techno for quite a long time. Now above all is the time people should be looking to something a bit different. I know it's been going for ages but I personally would like to see booty make a bit of a re-emergence too, maybe I should start a new thread for this!

[crime]

I been playing Databass and intuit solar stuff in sets for a while now, really breaks shit up and gets the floor rockin...

[Tony]

crime: you seem to have jumped on what i said quite un-neccescarily. i dont know, do you sell records for a living? i do and i can quite clearly identify several entire distributors that only carry what has clearly emerged as a genre, wether you wish to call it wonk, leftfield techno, mutant electro, apocalyptic rave, i've heard a million different names. it DOES have to be marketed differently, it DOES get sold to different people than so called 'straight techno'. to say that techno is not about marketing is quite naive. if you want to sell anything, toothbrushes, pots and pans, you need to plan how to go about it. so trust me, whatever you wish to call it, it can quite clearly be defined as different in a business sense though it could be played right next to something that is clearly not from this WONDERFUL NEW GENRE YOU CAN QUOTE TO IMPRESS THE LADIES ;-)

[crime]

Tony, sorry mate, but I just found it all a bit non sensical to be calling it an "Industry" when it's such a small thing... Obviously, you are going to view it differently, because you are selling records on a distribution level... in a roundabout way I do sell records, and I suppose the focus is different for me, as I'm making music, so I'm not going to be so into pidgeon holes as this can lead to "genreised" music, i.e. music that is written in a certain style so it fits in nicely, which to be honest isn't going to push things forward... I'm interested in pushing things forward, and doing stuff that sounds different, I suppose these descriptive terms are needed when you get that deep into the business side... I just wouldn't say there was a "Wonk" scene, I play at clubs all over the place that have quite a variety of techno and other music, I suppose we're viewing the same thing from totally different viewpoints....

[crime]

Anyway, I think this has gone off topic enough, and I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of inanely arguing about the ins and outs of the music industry...
Tony, did you go to HOG at the weekend? Wish I could have been there, but was skint....

[ampassasinbirmingham]

i will post a longer message later about this but all i can sayis that jerome hill cut, scratched and funked the HOG dancefloor up with the most wonkiest techno ive ever heard. quality.

[MARKEG]

well there's one satisfied customer :D