crime: you seem to have jumped on what i said quite un-neccescarily. i dont know, do you sell records for a living? i do and i can quite clearly identify several entire distributors that only carry what has clearly emerged as a genre, wether you wish to call it wonk, leftfield techno, mutant electro, apocalyptic rave, i've heard a million different names. it DOES have to be marketed differently, it DOES get sold to different people than so called 'straight techno'. to say that techno is not about marketing is quite naive. if you want to sell anything, toothbrushes, pots and pans, you need to plan how to go about it. so trust me, whatever you wish to call it, it can quite clearly be defined as different in a business sense though it could be played right next to something that is clearly not from this WONDERFUL NEW GENRE YOU CAN QUOTE TO IMPRESS THE LADIES ;-)