All label owners please read

[Joseph Isaac]

that fact is - there is an impenetrable demographic that will not budge from vinyl.

and after all that, i'll say it again - i spin vinyl because i like it. its fun. laptops are not fun.

(of course that last is my opinion. but you get my gest).

Good point, but is this demographic a demographic that provides sustainability for record labels that only release vinyl? To my experience, this is not the case...

And i have a ton of fun performing on my laptop. I think Ableton is a great program.l

[Internal Error Records]

that fact is - there is an impenetrable demographic that will not budge from vinyl.

and after all that, i'll say it again - i spin vinyl because i like it. its fun. laptops are not fun.

(of course that last is my opinion. but you get my gest).

Good point, but is this demographic a demographic that provides sustainability for record labels that only release vinyl? To my experience, this is not the case...

And i have a ton of fun performing on my laptop. I think Ableton is a great program.l

Those attempting to 'reconcile' the two mediums into one will probably have to accept that a large segment of djs will never stop spinning vinyl.

The overall quality of vinyl will improve if all the shoddy labels think its acceptable to take the cheap way out by using mp3s. The $1,200 'decision barrier' really tests a labels commitment to a song.

For me - its vinyl or nothing. 'Vinyl or Zero'

[TechMouse]

drop the technology, and focus on the techno!

Right... lets see you knock together some tunes without any Technology.

That 909 can go back to the shop for a start.

In fact, lets f*ck off your 1210s as well.

Come on, I want full on acousti-Techno all the way.

What do you mean Microphone?

easy there trigger.

i dont think i need to back up the idea that techno and technology are not the same thing.

Agreed.

But I think you should either embrace Technology as a whole or not at all.

I cannot understand this "I like this Technolgoy for music, but I refuse to accept this other Technology, that's just not right" mentality.

People keep coming back to this again and again, but at the end of the day it's what comed out of the speakers that matters. How it gets there is academic, and I'll freely admit I'm often down the front having a nosey. But if the music was mindblowing then I'd be equally impressed whether it was a pure decks & mixer setup, a load of Korg Electribes, or someone using a laptop.... I'd certainly never sit around saying any method is superior or inferior.

[webassassin]

i dunno about all this back and forth on the topic. sure its good philosophy, but its all this laptop and mp3 and mp4 and being a damn data librarian.....


being a dj is about instant gratification and rocking a party..... not about showing how you can find another use for your Information Technology degree.


drop the technology, and focus on the techno!

took the words outta my mouth :clap:

[MARKEG]

drop the technology, and focus on the techno!

Right... lets see you knock together some tunes without any Technology.

That 909 can go back to the shop for a start.

In fact, lets f*ck off your 1210s as well.

Come on, I want full on acousti-Techno all the way.

What do you mean Microphone?

easy there trigger.

i dont think i need to back up the idea that techno and technology are not the same thing.

Agreed.

But I think you should either embrace Technology as a whole or not at all.

I cannot understand this "I like this Technolgoy for music, but I refuse to accept this other Technology, that's just not right" mentality.

People keep coming back to this again and again, but at the end of the day it's what comed out of the speakers that matters. How it gets there is academic, and I'll freely admit I'm often down the front having a nosey. But if the music was mindblowing then I'd be equally impressed whether it was a pure decks & mixer setup, a load of Korg Electribes, or someone using a laptop.... I'd certainly never sit around saying any method is superior or inferior.

guys why don't you start a new topic ;)

this would be a great topic but it's not really focusing this one is it

:)

[TechMouse]

guys why don't you start a new topic ;)

this would be a great topic but it's not really focusing this one is it

:)

On the contrary Mark, I think it's very relevant here...

Whether or not digital downloads / CDs are "acceptable" to DJs and other people in the music industry is going to play a major part in their success (or failure) as a medium. Their "acceptability" is often blighted by the fact that some people will not accept anything but vinyl as the appropriate format for their Techno to come on.

I'm all for good music at a reasonable price - whatever format it comes on.

Though it's gonna be a while before I can afford some CD decks.

[The Divide]

Check this out...

http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/news_story.asp?view=263

Looks like a step forwards

[MARKEG]

no this is a step backward man.

we need cd's. i'm adament this is the way to go.

my opinion that's all ;)

[g]

and you can't use cd decks with that because....?

[TechMouse]

and you can't use cd decks with that because....?

Err... well, you can... but only with some CD decks...

Which ultimately makes it no different to any other DJ mixer.

[Paul Zykotik]

that fact is - there is an impenetrable demographic that will not budge from vinyl.

and after all that, i'll say it again - i spin vinyl because i like it. its fun. laptops are not fun.

(of course that last is my opinion. but you get my gest).

This is the current demographic though. The CD revolution has been heralded for some time but never before has it been as widespread as it is now, and that popularity will continue to increase. Sure, a lot of the people out there now would prefer it all on vinyl, but give it another 3 or 4 years and you've got a whole new load of people into it who won't have been surrounded by the techno scene as a near-total vinyl environment. There's a good chance their expectations won't be to have the tunes they like on vinyl.

[Scott Kemix]

i think you have a choice. I will always prefer a solid chunk of vinyl to mix over a cd anyday. I think the addition of the cdj is a good thing, but just to play some unreleased stuff or stuff you cant get on vinyl anymore. Also i think the cdj's are far to flimsy to take your anger out and express yourself whilst in the mix. The format for underground music must be mostly vinyl and should stay that way

[schlongfingers]

Yes definately CDs, the sound of CD's skipping is so very techno.

[Scott Kemix]

Yes definately CDs, the sound of CD's skipping is so very techno.

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[Jay Pace]

i think you have a choice. I will always prefer a solid chunk of vinyl to mix over a cd anyday. I think the addition of the cdj is a good thing, but just to play some unreleased stuff or stuff you cant get on vinyl anymore. Also i think the cdj's are far to flimsy to take your anger out and express yourself whilst in the mix. The format for underground music must be mostly vinyl and should stay that way

"Must" and "should" aren't going to hold back the tide mate.

I'm sorry to see it go, but its pretty much inevitable.

Get final scratch. Then you can use vinyl and play digital. Best of both stylee...

[Scott Kemix]

i think you have a choice. I will always prefer a solid chunk of vinyl to mix over a cd anyday. I think the addition of the cdj is a good thing, but just to play some unreleased stuff or stuff you cant get on vinyl anymore. Also i think the cdj's are far to flimsy to take your anger out and express yourself whilst in the mix. The format for underground music must be mostly vinyl and should stay that way

"Must" and "should" aren't going to hold back the tide mate.

I'm sorry to see it go, but its pretty much inevitable.

Get final scratch. Then you can use vinyl and play digital. Best of both stylee...

This is only my opinion, one of many,and dont think this will hold back the tide. Its not entirly gone yet though, and things like final scratch and playing mp3's is not my idea of a good quality sound

[schlongfingers]

Yes definately CDs, the sound of CD's skipping is so very techno.

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Sorry that was unclear, I was referencing Mark EG's comment that he feels CDs are the way forward. Personally I think they are fundamentally flawed as they aren't even as durable as vinyl - they are susceptable to scratching and nothing sounds shitter than a skipping CD in a DJ set, hugely offputting both to the listeners and to the DJ.

I love digital as well as vinyl, but feel that hard disk playback of digital files is a much much more reliable method than from a disk that is susceptable to scratching, corrupting, snapping and damage from liquid.

[Scott Kemix]

Yes definately CDs, the sound of CD's skipping is so very techno.

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Sorry that was unclear, I was referencing Mark EG's comment that he feels CDs are the way forward. Personally I think they are fundamentally flawed as they aren't even as durable as vinyl - they are susceptable to scratching and nothing sounds shitter than a skipping CD in a DJ set, hugely offputting both to the listeners and to the DJ.

I love digital as well as vinyl, but feel that hard disk playback of digital files is a much much more reliable method than from a disk that is susceptable to scratching, corrupting, snapping and damage from liquid.

totally agree, but still not feeling the 'tinny' sound that digital gives off

[schlongfingers]

In terms of comparison with CDs, the tinny sound can only be down to the soundcard or the bitrate imho

[herman]

To be honest here I think the point is being missed quite a bit here , the main reason sales are in the toilet compared to just a few years ago is almost exclusively down to the fact the genre is tied so closely to vinyl.

I.E the only people buying Techno (on the whole) is dj's because your average punter just doesn't want turntables etc at home just to play some tunes , hence the popularity of mix cd's etc (and then the subsequent collapse of that market due to the initial rush of downloading), In my opinion the answer to the current problems comes in finding a way to reach your average punter to buy music again instead of just downloading it for free from soulseek or it's equivalent , the tide is turning though in the UK alone in the first six months of 2004 there was 500,000 legal downloads and in the first six months of 2005 there was 10,000,000 and that is still only 2% of the music market in the UK.

I really don't think the format is the issue here as digital is the way forward to tie yourself to another format like CD is a pretty pointless exercise the best way forward is to be distributing digital files (be they mp3,mp4,wav,aiff,flac, whatever) and letting people decide on there own preferred method of playback themselves, the digital times are coming faster than anyone could have predicted now and I will be as sad as anyone when Vinyl finally becomes extinct but to be honest I can't see anything else now.