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[RDR]

But isn't in DJ Mag doing the vote, not Mixmag - does anyone read anything properly :)

I think they should read it twice...

[The Teknoist.]

But isn't in DJ Mag doing the vote, not Mixmag - does anyone read any properly :)

yes but they full under the same category really dont they.

Infact my friend is the equipment review editor at dj mag and he gets given free stuff by the companies to review stuff well.

[RDR]

Oh look, another argument about DJ Mag.



im genuinly shocked.

[The Teknoist.]

myabe i shouldnt have said the last comment.. meh

[fatcollective]

:roll:

[rowland the bastard]

[quote="The Teknoist"][quote=Rowland The Bastard][quote=

i get that point ofcourse :) but making techno part of a constant wave of fads and trendy genres that keeps changing throughout and around the more mainstream of dance music in my opinion isnt going to keep the scene alive. It kills scenes if anything.

I know hard house and the surrounding music 'artists' have been dabbling in techno for a while now but dabbling and raping are to different things. The more techno features in such jokes as the dj mag top 100 the more people are gonna want to cash in. Thus in the long run saturating the market with crap (not just music either).

This may be a pesimistic point, but i really do think its a valid point. Techno has been and is growing stronger very well on its own imo and doesnt need this kind of publicity.

Please dont label me as a narrow minded purist either because im really not in any way :)[/quote]

you have actually got a very fare point, but i also think i have, unfortunatly as soon a money disapears from techno so will alot of artists belive me, and it isnt going strength to strength either, its dropping dramatically.

[rowland the bastard]

[quote=

Not hating on you mate, but this is the top 100 djs as voted for people who read djmag.

Hands up here who reads dj mag.
Hands up who cares what dj mag readers think.

Techno is big, ugly and global enough not to need to rely upon dance magazines.

Dance music mags are for faddy drop ins who are desperate to learn whats cool, and will believe anything thats in print.

Awards like this are a pile of shit.

Techno is an attitude, not everyone will get it. That they don't doesn't degrade techno in the slightest.[/quote]

this is just it though, how on earth can you say techno is growing? you have to trust me on this i guess it isnt growing its shrinking at an alarming rate, there is a load of pap out there thats why we have to reconise the good, to ween out the bad, to elaborate on agent orange, first time is was in ny state on tour, there where about 4-5000 ravers at this gig, all the shops and artists in nyc where doing incredably well, last feb, i played and the promoter was stoked cause 60 people came through the door, that saturday another promoter was even happier because 100 people turned up, now i now i have opened up a can of worms for you guys to "well your shit rowland what do you expect" and you have the right to think that, but... NONE of the techno shops are open now, not even sonic groove home of frankie bone adam x and heather hart **** off players internationally of techno.

[rowland the bastard]

Ok, dj Mag def might not be the best media outlet for techno right now, but we all sort of agree that some media will help.

When Chris Liberator got in there which was totaly awsome, alot of my prog friends automatically put him on their "dj's to see in the next year" list, not Lisa Lashes or Family Jules, but Chris. If that gets the clubs full of people wanting to here these guys (even if it was fed to them by a magazine) the club owners and promoters will take notice which will have a positive outcome for techno openers like us.

Lisa Lashes and the like will take credit for anything new, that's unavoidable, so we might as well take the benefits from the side result of that. The only way to beat them would be to have a bigger and better PR firm and for that you need big money and for big money you need big gigs, which come from media and magazines.

orange is talking sense here

[rowland the bastard]

ask Tiesto? he was already a major name before he started won.

As i said i can see your points (sort of).. True it does need more publicity, but the right publicity. Not shite 'this is hard techno mayhem' cheesey kind of ads all over tv. To be fair the right people wouldnt get a look in i dont think either. There'd be a couple of figure heads but the likes of Lisa Lashes n co would definatley be up there saying it was their thing n reeping benefits.

A dj poll etc is one thing but this particular one i dont think is right. The majority of people who vote are brainless mixmag gurners tbh.

There may be crap techno already out there but you dont want people that havnt heard alot of techno hearing the shite (which the majority of stuff available for them would be) and making their minds up off that. The majority of "popular culture" fixated kind of people look for their art to be handed to them, rather than actively seeking it out and discovering new music. Whats wrong with having to seek it out?

im just sort of ranting now tbh.. i DO want greater recognition for techno though, but the right kind and if you can convince me that this WILL give techno the right kind please do.. believe it or not i DO want to be convinced of this, i just cant see it.

Yes, or better, ask Tiesto's PR people. They certainly seem to care about his rank on such lists? Why?

Of course, assume that the results of this "poll" are honest and not a charade where the top slots were sold. My cynical side prevents me from giving such lists any credibility just because, with a publication like DJ Mag and some others, getting your name on the top of a list is something that a lot of people would pay for quite handsomely. As for what type of crowd such a list might bring out, hell, I wouldn't really care. I'm not a big fan of the techno crowd that exists now. People who are slaves to pop culture aren't all that different than people who are slaves to anti-pop culture. In the end, all they do is help command some higher booking fees and bring in some more cash. No harm in that. Besides, every now and then, you get an artist that somehow siezes on the limelight exposure and sets things in a new direction. Ya never know.

well if you buy a full page of adverts in dj or mixmag you can pretty much garrantee a two - three page write up on yourself thats true, and i have my suspitions myself that its rigged, but chris and henry got in and im 70% sure there votes wernt bought, so vote for them again

[rowland the bastard]

From where im sitting I can honestley say I aint going to vote.
I dont own a label Im yet to have a relese and im not in the buissness side of the music(yet)so I can happily say that from my piont of veiw Techno artist in the top 20 of this poll is going to have more of a negative effect than it is positive(like I say this is from the angle of somone who searched out and found this music and makes and listen purley for myself)

Ive seen the negative effects of the popularity of trance,hardcore and hardhouse(not saying I like these genres)and cant stand the thought of some crap advert for "Dirty techno bangers volume one"or whatever coming on the tv while im wanking of to hollyoaks(not that i do of course)

Of course there are the benifits wich are huge(money and popularity being two)but to me these are two of the least importent things about what I personaly see as an artistic outlet and i thrive off the fact that the magority do not understand what some of us are doing.

But I stress again techno and music is not biuseness to me (yet) so I am onley say it how I see it myself.

One more piont on somthing that Tocsin mentioned
"Yes, or better, ask Tiesto's PR people. They certainly seem to care about his rank on such lists? Why?

I couldnt give two shits personaly why money focosed people care about a ranking in this chart cause its probably money and not the music(not a dig Tocsin my man)

you will do if your (yets) turn to reality ;)

[Mindful]

haha yeah no doubt mate then Ill be able to see it from a different angle.
My ignorence is down to the situation im in thts all.

Respect ;)

[rowland the bastard]

well i wont be voting.

i've finally come to the conclusion that all these polls are total and utter bullshit. and at last i have the balls to say it, without fear of me feeling like i'll be percieved as a wanna-be-top-100-dj-type.

and i'll tell you why.

none of them really say who is the popular DJ in the clubs or who has the maddest diary. I mean, I spoke to one of the top 30 DJ's in that DJ poll the other day and they told me they were booked until December but the club scene is 'going down' and their diary was full of cancellations and loads of spare weekends. I look at tour/dj dates that come through to me from those DJ's with albums out (on the press releases) and some of those who are popular in that 'dj list' site have like two dates a month.

i look at my own diary and it's full until december, in fact until february 2006. chrissi tells me trying to get a date with me is like trying to get a date with a gay priest. not that i am a gay priest you understand. :)

so here lies my problem. and my issue with these polls. if these polls were a fair reflection of us in the techno scene and our diaries and our ability to rock the place, then great. but they're not. they're all to do with hype. they're all to do with those mass emails everyone gets from the 'important' pr companies. sorry but this is absolute bullshit in my eyes.

sure, promotion is great for you if you choose to do it.. but i've never once mass emailed all of you telling you to vote for me on the dj list and the top 100, even though i have your email addys. come to think about it i've never promoted this forum (well apart from a post on DJ Rush's site 5 years ago hehe)..

these polls have become the bastard son of dj promotion heaven. they don't reflect the true, real ppl in this game that are rockin the place. and that goes for me, surgeon, ruskin up to all the new school that soooo deserve to be there.

sorry to have an outburst hehehehe but i really am gettting p'ed off with seeing pppl on this chart that two months ago flooded me with emails to vote for them

maybe if you voted mark ruskin and surgen would get in, AND... if your booked to feb 2006 thats ****ing sweet mate!!! but i ****ing laugh my tits off if your in it this year hahahahahahaha!!!!!! i voted for you cunt!

[Mindful]

I wont be suprised if Marks in it you know, its about time maybe.
Your possibly the biggest name on that perticular scene Mark.
And as somone pionted out with the tidy bookings and such a few more kids will have found out about you and that scene.

[rowland the bastard]

the thing is, if people genuinely want to get into something new they'l seek it themselves, i know i do, its not hard and there are more ways to get into new artists on a daily basis as opposed to a monthly mag

you need to know about it before you can reserch it, btw if mags and pols are shit marky baby, why do you work for a mag?

[rowland the bastard]

hahahahaha loves it!

[stjohn]

http://www.richiehawtin.com

wait for it to load and click the flashy button

someone's on your side Rowland

[eyeswithoutaface]

the thing is, if people genuinely want to get into something new they'l seek it themselves, i know i do, its not hard and there are more ways to get into new artists on a daily basis as opposed to a monthly mag

you need to know about it before you can reserch it

yeah, but this is specifically about the poll opening awareness to people about techno, which doesnt really make a difference at all seeing how these publications contain articles about techno, interviews with techno artists, reviews of techno records every month anyway... i mean, i read a magazine the other week i cant remember it was dj mag or idj one of those and it had an "inside the studio" section with Cristian Vogel, 2 page spread lots of info, pics, interview etc, so if its a regular reader and they havent picked up anything in the mag about techno yet then 5 or 6 techno placings in a poll thats published once a year really isnt going to make much difference.... i can see the point behind backing these polls, i just genuinely believe they have no effect upon the scene as a result, i wish they did, really, but alas

[Mindful]

can you remember what mag that was Scott would like too read that Vogal artical

[Mindful]

and how come your post count so small

[eyeswithoutaface]

im stuck for the life of me mate it wasnt my mag but it was an excellent article... i should of ripped it out haha