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[Ben Kidney]

And even that has stopped to move anywhere from what I'm seeing these days...I mean, shouldn't the days of Amen breaks and distorted kicks make way for other influences??? I hear them here and there, but only occasionally, people seem to opt for the tried and tested too much, even V. Snares has with his Meathole...And he used to push those boundaries like no other...

[The Teknoist]

And even that has stopped to move anywhere from what I'm seeing these days...I mean, shouldn't the days of Amen breaks and distorted kicks make way for other influences??? I hear them here and there, but only occasionally, people seem to opt for the tried and tested too much, even V. Snares has with his Meathole...And he used to push those boundaries like no other...

you cant expect boundaries to be broken constantly though Sid, thats expecting alot from people.. its easier said than done, i mean tbf people make music because they love making it (the majority anyway) and not to constantly please everyone. Pushing boundaries is something youd always like to do but isnt always possible and sticking with one thing for a while isnt necassaraly bad aslong as you dont do that forever.

Every artist is forever learning with every key stroke and pushing boundaries is a pretty special thing to do, something most artists dont do and dont even try to do... most of the time is jst expression or experimentation.

As i said though people make music because they love the process and not with the idea of pushing a scene or a genre as their 1st priority.

where can breakcore/hardcore go from here? Im asking this as a question to everyone.. yeh the amens been hammered and most is pretty samey in a way sort of... still some good music though.

Instead of saying people arent pushing boundaries, why not try and do it yourselves? :)

[DJ Enigma]

Yeh i mean regardless of whether boundaries are still being pushed or not it does not necessarily make it any the less interesting to listen to and enjoy... Pushing boundaries constantly is not a necessity in my opinion anyway....

Mike sums it up best by saying it's the artists expression of doing something love most, i reckon that counts for a lot, where good imaginative music is concerned..

Can the boundaries truly be pushed anymore? It's got to the stage where everything is getting mashed with everything else, so have we reached the logical conclusion where now artists are recycling sounds that were popular 10 years ago? Certainly artists in the same vein as Shitmat have found a niche there.

I think as long as people are being creative in their manipulation of sounds and the exploitation of technology there'll still be interesting and enjoyable music around, that's not necessarily boundry pushing and does not intend to be. Whichever way I look at it, if it's interesting then it's still progression in one form or another...

[Ben Kidney]

where can breakcore/hardcore go from here?

Man, there's influence everywhere, something a little different from what we have now would be nice...I mean check out artists such as Blaerg or, let's see, you and Greg, you've got the right idea IMO, V.Snares with his 'Hungarian Pidgeon E.P.' (as you call it) was the way that I think things should go, an amalgamation of styles, use of maybe, classical/neo classical connotations, I mean, 'Core could be sooo much, the contrast between beautiful and the harsh simply hasn't been explored enough I don't think...

Instead of saying people arent pushing boundaries, why not try and do it yourselves?

If only I could man, I don't get time to breathe let alone sit in front of a computer making tracks, I'm lucky if I can go on my decks once a week...I try though, I have a set, sat here waiting for me to record it, which IMO pushes the boundaries, in that the style/structure/variation in genres, completely differs to what we normally hear within our scene...

[Mike sums it up best by saying it's the artists expression of doing something love most[/quote]

That's all well and good and I agree that if that was the case, it wouyld be cool, but I feel that most 'Core these days lacks that heart and soul, it doesn't seem to me that they are 'doing it for the love of it'...Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm too pessimistic but thyere's not that much out there that floats your boat , so to speak...I mean, come on, how much stuff have you bought lately, that you've thought, 'yeah, that's ****ing sweet man'???' Most' of the stuff I've heard that makes me feel that way is a few years old now, barring the odd release here and there....

[DJ Enigma]

That's all well and good and I agree that if that was the case, it wouyld be cool, but I feel that most 'Core these days lacks that heart and soul, it doesn't seem to me that they are 'doing it for the love of it'...Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm too pessimistic but thyere's not that much out there that floats your boat , so to speak...I mean, come on, how much stuff have you bought lately, that you've thought, 'yeah, that's **** sweet man'???' Most' of the stuff I've heard that makes me feel that way is a few years old now, barring the odd release here and there....

I'd agree with you that a lot of stuff lacks any kind of creativity but i do still hear enough to keep me more than interested....Stuff that gets my adrenalin going.. Does hardcore need heart and soul to be good? Many tracks i've enjoyed over the years express pure aggression and a mind ****.... It's all down to personal taste, what floats my boat may not necessarily float yours and vice versa.. I don't always look for heart or soul in music.. Particularly in 'core, to me i dig the construction of the patterns at a more mechanical level..

[Ben Kidney]

Does hardcore need heart and soul to be good?

It wouldn't be music if there wasn't...You could even replace that with 'Time and Effort'...Same difference, I absolutely recognise technical ability here as well...You got any recommendations then??? I'd like to hear some goooood sheeeet man...

[DJ Enigma]

Maybe i'm just an emotionless stone then :lol:

Dude, you're the man who listens to something new and totally obscure at least 5 times more often than me!!! How the hell do you get time?!!? There was a time around 6 months ago where i was on top of what was coming out but that was purely down to listening to my iPod for around 6 hours a day at work... That shit simply hasn't been possible since....

Roll on the time when i'll be working from home......

[Ben Kidney]

Haha...You need a soundtrack to everything man...

[DJ Enigma]

My current daily sound track is the office drawl.. Keyboards getting clattered, people talking, sneezing, blowing their noses, gossiping, moaning... Blah, it's soul destroying stuff... Not for much longer.

[Ben Kidney]

Ouch, sounds like it man...I much prefer to drown out the harsh realities with some good music man, college is worst, you've got all the clique'y, angsty teens mithering you with their bullshit man, I cannae stand it, trying to get me involved with their petty bickerings...Bah, give me my MP3 player anyday...

[JohnnySideways]

It's got to the stage where everything is getting mashed with everything else, so have we reached the logical conclusion where now artists are recycling sounds that were popular 10 years ago?

IMO thats how new forms are discovered...**** i mean its all rock n roll or blues if ya dont believe that! things hit peaks and lulls and then styles merge and new sounds come out of that...
i used to make tekno/acid stuff all day n every day...then got bored bored bored with the london sound and mafia style domination...anyone doin anything different from the usual SUF lot jus didnt get a chance...my first record was knocked back by various distributers because it was "too different"...WTF!!! so i got more into the hardkore/spiraltekno scene/sound where your allowed to do what the **** you like (maybe some dont...but ya get my point)..and now just allow myself to write wotever the **** i like...seems to go down better..and i enjoy wot i do again

My current daily sound track is the office drawl.. Keyboards getting clattered, people talking, sneezing, blowing their noses, gossiping, moaning... Blah, it's soul destroying stuff... Not for much longer.

stick some beats behind that fella...could be the new sound innit :lol: