"GREAT NEWS" FOR UK FREE PARTIES

**jon connor** · 05-10-2005, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Pace

Originally Posted by jon connor

I NO FELLA ........... my god this is wonderfull for the movment of techno great. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Hmmm

So providing you get permission from the owners property, you can have a party.

Deeply unsure of this. Cant see it over riding the CJB.

This is just a relaxation of venue licencing laws.

Don't want to be a damp squib but I don't think this will make any difference.

yea cool i here you ,, just the area which we live in is awsome for free parties ,you should see some of the venues which havent been used for years im telling ya . so if this does go through then mabey we can go back to our old awsome venues in the snowdonia national park. and also we have a lot of freinds with private land farmers etc .this is good news for us north wales guys.

Partys are usually held on private property without the owners permission.

Time to make some farmer friends, I guess...

**jon connor** · 05-10-2005, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

All that glitters is not gold.

I want to read the actual act, not a newspaper report.

ya me to as i said up the first post i dont have all the info :roll: we need more i think.

**jon connor** · 05-10-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by slacker

Time to make some farmer friends, I guess...

hehe, just wait until the EU removes subsidies-then the farming industry (what's left of it) will collapse, and farmer's will be queing up to allow anyone who gives em a few bob to use their land. I say again: hehe.

this licensing doodah does not mention anything about the CJA it's true, but presumably these temporary licenses mean that you could make an event and get a temporary license-which would mean it WOULD be licensed and thus not subject to the CJA. Now I need to check my facts on my printout at home, but we'll see. Also I'm not sure how easy it will be to get one of these licenses and how much they will cost, etc. They sound a bit like Public Entertainment Licenses but just a little less strict-still strict though and thus not the Godsend they might initially appear to be.

don't celebrate just yet...

sorry for the morose attitude but I more than a little involved with the movement and something seemingly as promising as this would be totally incongruous with the goverment's current attitude to raves.

BTW if anyone really wants to get involved then there is a EU wide protest against brutality towards raves in Strasbourg outside the EU parliament on nov 12th I think. there are some details on www.squatjuice.com.

looks cool.

cheers mate nice knowlage you have there ,as i said before im not up on all this info so we need more cheers for input dude im listening to ya ;)

**RDR** · 05-10-2005, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by slacker

Time to make some farmer friends, I guess...

hehe, just wait until the EU removes subsidies-then the farming industry (what's left of it) will collapse, and farmer's will be queing up to allow anyone who gives em a few bob to use their land. I say again: hehe.

this licensing doodah does not mention anything about the CJA it's true, but presumably these temporary licenses mean that you could make an event and get a temporary license-which would mean it WOULD be licensed and thus not subject to the CJA. Now I need to check my facts on my printout at home, but we'll see. Also I'm not sure how easy it will be to get one of these licenses and how much they will cost, etc. They sound a bit like Public Entertainment Licenses but just a little less strict-still strict though and thus not the Godsend they might initially appear to be.

don't celebrate just yet...

sorry for the morose attitude but I more than a little involved with the movement and something seemingly as promising as this would be totally incongruous with the goverment's current attitude to raves.

BTW if anyone really wants to get involved then there is a EU wide protest against brutality towards raves in Strasbourg outside the EU parliament on nov 12th I think. there are some details on www.squatjuice.com.

looks cool.

:clap:

if i could be there i would be, but i cant due to work... respect. and i agree with your post.. all that glitters...

**new** · 05-10-2005, 04:11 PM

raises some interesting questions. for one why did they all of a sudden decide to do this? for two, how are they going to make you stop just doing them illigally?

in my experiance in Halifax, liscensing systems are actually just ways for them to control you. For example, the fire code here was used to shut down some perfactly safe parties, just because the ****ers are anti. I wouldn't trust it off the bat either.

**dan the acid man** · 05-10-2005, 04:26 PM

as long as we dont get people taking the piss, i.e, anybody just setting up systems and parties, too close to houses etc and giving it all a bad name

**Jay Pace** · 05-10-2005, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by dan the acid man

as long as we dont get people taking the piss, i.e, anybody just setting up systems and parties, too close to houses etc and giving it all a bad name

Your average daily mail reader struggles enough as it is to tell the difference between:

a) Dreadlocked crusty swigging special brew and hoovering up ketamine with a private school education and currently in their second year of media studies

And...

b) Dreadlocked crusty swigging special brew and hoovering ket and lives on a site nearby.

Free parties are in need of serious PR - middle england are unhappy and frightened enough as it is.

I hate it when elderly people walking their dogs stumble across a party. They always look so terrified, and for no good reason.

**fresh_an_funky_design** · 05-10-2005, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

Originally Posted by fresh_an_funky_design

its in the telegraph, there pretty accurate with the news.

Not wanting to rain on your parade chief, but it is a NEWS paper we are talking about here, they dont exactly cover themselves in glory when it comes to the FULL facts or unbiased reporting.

yeah but the telegraph is a broadhseet there not allowed to lie, where as a tabloid are allowed to 'embelish' the truth

**alsynthe** · 05-10-2005, 05:05 PM

since when did them being a broadsheet not allow them to lie????? every newspaper over emphasises the truth.

oldbugger · 05-10-2005, 05:26 PM

hmmmmmmmm.. i really don't see how it changes much at all to be honest. gonna have a good search about for more info, but its not really going to change anything,

**massplanck** · 05-10-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by alsynthe

just apply for multiple licences 20 metres away from each other and call them seperate parties. ie multi rigged parties

:lol:

**fresh_an_funky_design** · 05-10-2005, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by alsynthe

since when did them being a broadsheet not allow them to lie????? every newspaper over emphasises the truth.

i might be wrong but i think broadsheet papers arn't allowed to lie by law,

**JamieBall** · 05-10-2005, 05:53 PM

I don't recall that having stopped them numerous times in the past...

**RDR** · 05-10-2005, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by oldbugger

hmmmmmmmm.. i really don't see how it changes much at all to be honest. gonna have a good search about for more info, but its not really going to change anything,

OB is right. this changes nothing in my book.

oldbugger · 05-10-2005, 06:08 PM

well it does if you want to bother yourself trying to put on a legalish party. and apply for licenses and all that shit. but thats not really what its about in my opinion.

i cant see how this will change anything at all in the free party scene. maybe better for people in cities etc but we pretty much dont have a problem finding places out of the way like they do anyway.

**alsynthe** · 05-10-2005, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Just Music

I don't recall that having stopped them numerous times in the past...

exactly my point. every newspaper has been sued for slander etc at somepoint, and wot is slander if it isnt lies????

**schlongfingers** · 05-10-2005, 09:45 PM

I'd love some links regarding the 'tabloid allowed to lie / broadsheets not allowed to lie' assertion.. maybe this explains why the broadsheets are moving to tabloid format :D

**schlongfingers** · 05-10-2005, 09:51 PM

In terms of free parties I don't think this really makes a difference, it'll be impossible to guarantee 500 so organisers may as well carry on as usual, hire documents for the equipment, sensible locations etc etc

What this does mean is that the idea of setting up legal parties in previously unused locations is very appealing, do it by the book, find a great building, negotiate with the owner, get the permit, hire or provide your own rig and have a laugh without risk of losing everything. This could be quite a healthy development, and a great alternative to facing the stark choise of either using an established venue with their security, their opening hours and their issues, or diy and running the risk of losing the rig and getting criminal records.

**Jack** · 05-10-2005, 11:37 PM

It says the police can still object on crime and disorder.

I can imagine the answer.

No licence, unless public liability, health and safety assesment, no techno etc etc

**crime** · 06-10-2005, 01:21 AM

Bottom line is, this was an article in the Telegraph (Of all places) to scare their readers about a new bit of legeslation that MIGHT make "ILLIGAL RAVES SHOCK HORROR" slightly legal.. fact is, doesn't work like that, so I wouldn't start popping the champagne corks yet... for christ sake use your brains, you really think the first place you're going to find out about that is the Daily Telegraph... do you have IQ's over 50???

Maybe if you would have read it in schnews ( http://www.schnews.org.uk/ ) it would be something to get excited about....

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