"GREAT NEWS" FOR UK FREE PARTIES

[acidsaturation]

This is blatantly just a way to try and make money by charging liscensing fees, and tighten the noose on people who don't get a liscence.

Yeah, maybe it creates an easier way to put on legal parties in buildings etc, but then that's just gonna become an extension of clubland and more of a money spinner for the big boyz.

[alsynthe]

sound sliek the only people who will benefit form this will be tribal gathering

[TechMouse]

sound sliek the only people who will benefit form this will be tribal gathering

"All the fun of illegal raves, without the illegality... (or fun)"

[alsynthe]

we mite aswell just go a club then

[Louk]

mate this is wicked news

who's gonna raid saltram and dartmoor and up here with me :)

ahhahaha

Louk

[jon connor]

well it does if you want to bother yourself trying to put on a legalish party. and apply for licenses and all that shit. but thats not really what its about in my opinion.

i cant see how this will change anything at all in the free party scene. maybe better for people in cities etc but we pretty much dont have a problem finding places out of the way like they do anyway.

agreed fella.

[jon connor]

In terms of free parties I don't think this really makes a difference, it'll be impossible to guarantee 500 so organisers may as well carry on as usual, hire documents for the equipment, sensible locations etc etc

What this does mean is that the idea of setting up legal parties in previously unused locations is very appealing, do it by the book, find a great building, negotiate with the owner, get the permit, hire or provide your own rig and have a laugh without risk of losing everything. This could be quite a healthy development, and a great alternative to facing the stark choise of either using an established venue with their security, their opening hours and their issues, or diy and running the risk of losing the rig and getting criminal records.

:clap: im with you here fella its exactly wot i was thinking when i first heard the news.it is in a small way a small step forward. ;)

[jon connor]

Bottom line is, this was an article in the Telegraph (Of all places) to scare their readers about a new bit of legeslation that MIGHT make "ILLIGAL RAVES SHOCK HORROR" slightly legal.. fact is, doesn't work like that, so I wouldn't start popping the champagne corks yet... for christ sake use your brains, you really think the first place you're going to find out about that is the Daily Telegraph... do you have IQ's over 50???

Maybe if you would have read it in schnews ( http://www.schnews.org.uk/ ) it would be something to get excited about....

um sorry mate but the first place i heard it as i said in my first post was on my brekfast news before work yesterday morning.. and leave out the iq bullshit we having a good discussion here... i see your point mate dont get me wrong chill on the insults and get with the programme dude, easy now man lets find out some more info on this, thats why i posted this thread ;)

[jon connor]

This is blatantly just a way to try and make money by charging liscensing fees, and tighten the noose on people who don't get a liscence.

Yeah, maybe it creates an easier way to put on legal parties in buildings etc, but then that's just gonna become an extension of clubland and more of a money spinner for the big boyz.

great point there man i was thinking these things to its all a bit sketchy at the mo. i must admit when i first heard on the news i was excited ,but the more i think about it , it keeps puttin me on a downer wot real benifits will free parties get out of this :?: :roll:

[jon connor]

sound sliek the only people who will benefit form this will be tribal gathering

yea is why i was chuffed when i heard this because we have many sites in north wales to on such an event like we did in the past.and this my friend is why if this stuff goes through then we gunna be avinit big time with new festivals in north wales and i deffo no some friends in cornwal will be to ;)

[kai]

This sounds on the face of it to be some really great news, but I think it will only really apply to indoor venues such as village halls etc, where fire regulations etc can be met in order to get the licence. Also, it won't necessarily be that cheap to get the licence, which will be another cost the promoter of the party will have to think about.

However, it is still good news, as it will make it easier for underground parties to take place and to find venues, as at the moment there is a shortage of clubs willing to put underground events on, and so being more able to put parties on in alternative venues is definately a good thing, although with the cost of the licence to take into accout these parties may not necessarily be free.

[jon connor]

This sounds on the face of it to be some really great news, but I think it will only really apply to indoor venues such as village halls etc, where fire regulations etc can be met in order to get the licence. Also, it won't necessarily be that cheap to get the licence, which will be another cost the promoter of the party will have to think about.

However, it is still good news, as it will make it easier for underground parties to take place and to find venues, as at the moment there is a shortage of clubs willing to put underground events on, and so being more able to put parties on in alternative venues is definately a good thing, although with the cost of the licence to take into accout these parties may not necessarily be free.

nice kai , yea its a bit weird how this is gunna work , and also licence cost will be a big thing , but however it will make things more easy to put a decent underground event on. ;) thanks for that its put a diffrent shed of light on things dude. :clap:

[analog tactic]

We found the prices on i think guildford councils website.

The prices vairy on location, from about 70-400, sounds like you can get them for outdoor events, but i am sure your gonna need some way of making sure there are adiquete toliets and things, it wont be easy to get and i think you would need a way of proving only 500 are going to attend.

[jon connor]

yea man a problem

[analog tactic]

Oxford say:-

Temporary Event Notices
Temporary Event Notices are for temporary events involving licensable activities.

Such activities can include the sale of alcohol, but the organiser does not need a Personal Licence. Unlike a Premises Licence, you do not have to advertise the application.

Only the police can object to a Temporary Event Notice, on the grounds of crime and disorder. If they do object, the event cannot go ahead unless it is possible to find a solution by negotiation.

A Temporary Event Notice will cost £21.00.

How to apply
Temporary Event Notices are not yet available. The Government will release the necessary forms soon.

Temporary Event Notices cannot be used for events that take place before 24 Nov 2005, but the Regulations and the notices themselves are expected to be available for completion later this year.

Using a Temporary Event Notice
The organiser sends a Temporary Event Notice to the licensing authority, with a copy to the police, at least two weeks before the event will start. We recommend sending notice much earlier than this.

Using Temporary Event Notices for a series of events
It will be possible to send a series of Temporary Event Notices together (for the academic year, for example) provided that the first of the events is at least two weeks from the sending date.

Large-scale events
For larger events it is advisable to send the Temporary Event Notice in earlier and to discuss the arrangements with the police beforehand.

Notes and Regulations
While the Regulations are not yet finalised, many of the provisional details already known are likely to remain the same. For further details, please see the Government's Question and Answer page on the subject.

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Southhampton Says

Temporary Event Notices
Temporary event notices (TENs) can be given to permit any of the licensable activities subject to limits on the number of such notices which can be given by an individual or for specific premises. No TEN can be given for an event taking place before the 24th November 2005.

A summary of the law, issued by DCMS, appears below.

Notice will need to be given in writing in the prescribed form (see the link below to the DCMS proposals) to the Council (two copies, with the fee of £21.00) and the Police, and this will need to be at least 10 working days before the event starts. Longer notice will be advantageous, especially where there is a defect in the notice or if objection by the Police is likely, but notices too far in advance (more than six months) may be difficult for the Police to assess and might lead to objections which could otherwise be avoided.

Because of the legal provisions, neither the Police nor the Council will be able to accept such notices by e-mail or fax. TENs will be acknowledged by the Council to the premises user.

It will be possible to give a TEN for any premises, including those which already have premises licences or club premises certificates.

The main restrictions on TENs are as follows:

The event may not have more than 499 people (including staff and organisers) attending at any one time.
An individual is limited to giving 5 TENs in one calendar year, unless they hold a personal licence for the sale of alcohol, in which case they can give no more than 50 TENs.
A limit of 12 TENs may be given in respect of any particular premises in a calendar year.
An event authorised by a TEN may last for no more than 96 hours.
The maximum aggregate duration of the periods covered by TENs at any individual premises is 15 days.
On receipt of a TEN, if the proposed event is not within these restrictions, a counter notice will be issued by the Council and the event will not be authorised.

The Police may only object on crime and disorder grounds, and if they do, notice of a hearing by the Council's Licensing Committee will be given. The Committee can decide to ignore or uphold the Police objection.

Please note that it is not yet possible for TENs to be given, because the necessary regulations have not yet been made by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport.

On 9th August 2005 the DCMS issued a consultation on permitted temporary activities and temporary event notices, including draft regulations and forms - please follow the link below.
















looks like i was wrong about the sum of money, looks to be £21 standard price.

[kai]

Hmm, now that is a good deal - £21 is nothing really!

[RDR]

Longer notice will be advantageous, especially where there is a defect in the notice or if objection by the Police is likely


thats the bit that gets my attention...

[jon connor]

Oxford say:-

Temporary Event Notices
Temporary Event Notices are for temporary events involving licensable activities.

Such activities can include the sale of alcohol, but the organiser does not need a Personal Licence. Unlike a Premises Licence, you do not have to advertise the application.

Only the police can object to a Temporary Event Notice, on the grounds of crime and disorder. If they do object, the event cannot go ahead unless it is possible to find a solution by negotiation.

A Temporary Event Notice will cost £21.00.

How to apply
Temporary Event Notices are not yet available. The Government will release the necessary forms soon.

Temporary Event Notices cannot be used for events that take place before 24 Nov 2005, but the Regulations and the notices themselves are expected to be available for completion later this year.

Using a Temporary Event Notice
The organiser sends a Temporary Event Notice to the licensing authority, with a copy to the police, at least two weeks before the event will start. We recommend sending notice much earlier than this.

Using Temporary Event Notices for a series of events
It will be possible to send a series of Temporary Event Notices together (for the academic year, for example) provided that the first of the events is at least two weeks from the sending date.

Large-scale events
For larger events it is advisable to send the Temporary Event Notice in earlier and to discuss the arrangements with the police beforehand.

Notes and Regulations
While the Regulations are not yet finalised, many of the provisional details already known are likely to remain the same. For further details, please see the Government's Question and Answer page on the subject.

thankyou very much for that info analogue tactic great input thanks a lot dude :clap:

[jon connor]

Longer notice will be advantageous, especially where there is a defect in the notice or if objection by the Police is likely


thats the bit that gets my attention...

hmmmmmmmmmmm me to :roll: