a hardcore skeptic

[log:one]

this post was inspired by reading the post about snobbery against hardcore/gabber/whatever the **** its called...

personally i've never heard any hardcore that i didnt think was boring and too simple.

i would dearly love to be proved wrong, so i'm asking for anyone that has a link to something that they believe is truly great, interesting and will change my mind about this area of music (ie, the really fast stuff) to post it up here and show me the way!!

[koma]

enlight me, maestro, what are you listening usually?

and what kind of hardcore did you listen up until now?

[JohnnySideways]

personally i've never heard any hardcore that i didnt think was boring and too simple.

woa!!! check ANY new hardkore out then m8 :lol: defo not simple...and boring? you'd have to have an attention span much smaller that mine...hardkore is the only style (including all subgenres) that really keeps me interested TBH..
check out the Bastard Sonz Of Rave album by Hellfish and Producer for a start...or any new releases by them,(check out www.phuturerave.com) Hellfish's new album...anything on Headfuk records esp Ely Muff...check the stuff on Planet Mu for really spazzed out styles...all far from simple
(theres loadso stuff out there...but the above obvious ones will wet ur appitite for sure )

[Barely Human]

Anything by Sunjammer or Enticer. Check out some elymuff stuff aswell.

Are you still producing trance btw??

[tocsin]

I don't think I've posted this one here before. So, here it is.

http://acidgrave.gabber.org/audio/mixes/screwed.mp3

[DJ Enigma]

This guy has a point though, you have to look pretty hard through all the shite that gets released to find the good shit that's out there... Most people are only exposed to what is heard at the popular events which i don't truly believe reflects what is actually out there....

IQ hit the nail on the head, Enticer and Sunjammer's stuff is pretty ****ing inspiring stuff... Dolphin and your man Teknoist are the daddy's right now though, their sets make me ****ing weak at the knees and it takes something pretty spectacular to do that these days.

Check out stuff by I:Gor, Mr Kill/Rotator, Hellfish, Doormouse, Ely Muff and Tantrum.. If you sign up to the www.thefaction.co.uk and go on the Oblivion/mp3/hardcore techno boards there's links to loads of stuff....

[tocsin]

Is Sunjammer even bothering with hardcore anymore?

[xes]

Got that bastard sonz of rave on at the moment,and for what it's worth,it's rocking.

[The Teknoist.]

heres a clip of my planet mu release... changes quite often n isnt that predictable i dont think.. :)

http://www.errorror.co.uk/ftp/TheTek...losingDown.mp3

hardcore if you know where to look is so shape changing and fresh.. admitaddly (spelling) theres alot of crap out there too but it certainly seems to be picking up in terms of production and detail.

[anode]

check out these 2 Artist's -

Lasse Steen aka - Skullblower
- Earl Of Reformation
- Goatblower
- Rules Of Anger
- Senical


and also a french guy by the name of PSYKOTROPP

heaps more im sure...like ANY genre you really have to do the diggin to find the good stuff.

get educated. it's not all about silly samples and hoovers.

[xes]

I don't think I've posted this one here before. So, here it is.

http://acidgrave.gabber.org/audio/mixes/screwed.mp3

I am bouncing of the fukking walls to this as we speak!!


This set is rocking.

[tocsin]

^^^ Thanks. :) It's kind of an old one that I did which I never gave around cuz I was unhappy with one of the mixes on it.

[Numeric]

Anything by Hellfish, Laurent Ho, Joshua, The Producer or Micropoint...

These guys are some of the best producers i have ever heard and are as good as if not better than any techno, house, trance or drum n bass producer...

[audioinjection]

rude awakening/dj promo

[MARKEG]

jesus christ teknoist, that link is amazing!!

[Si the Sigh]

This guy has a point though, you have to look pretty hard through all the shite that gets released to find the good shit that's out there...

Same with any genre of music mate.

Log, check out some of the stuff by Ophidian. Being a hard trance man, you'll like some of his riffs. His stuff on Enzyme is superb! Try searching for these two on www.phuturerave.com

Ophidian - A place called yesterday - Enzyme 18X
Ophidian - Butterfly & Hammerhead VIP mixes - Enzyme EXV2

[DJ Enigma]

Very true, however the subject at hand is hardcore techno and in recent years it has become more and more difficult to find stuff that is fresh and and exciting to hear (but the same could be applied to any genre of music )...

It all comes back to the commercialised end of the spectrum, ie the more popular end that many people only ever see. It kind of stifles everything underneath it.. However it's the choice of the individual as to what they listen to, but on the other hand you have to ask the question whether they are getting exposure to everything on offer?

You visit boards like USH and UK Scene and when people speak of hardcore techno/gabber it's all D-Boy, Scott Brown, Brisk, Promo etc and Radical Technology, i'm not disrespecting any of them but it's not a true reflection of all that is going on music wise.. Since North finished there has been a serious lack of a solid hardcore techno foundation that regularly brought people and other hardcore techno events together... The 'scene' has become so fragmented, with the Radical Technology nights going more mainstream to fill a gap in the market for more party orientated music. Nights such as Species no longer supply the extreme end of the music, the night that ET and I used to put on (Oblivion) hasn't happened in almost 18 months and nights that do push the boundaries are either one offs or irregular events... More and more labels are becoming mainstream and seem to monopolise the sound, pumping out what sells most which leaves independent artists again struggling for exposure or an outlet for their music.

This leaves the few people that are truly dedicated to the music struggling to get it exposed to a wider audience, hence threads like this.

Instead those that are left pushing the extreme music find themselves venturing into the extreme end of rough electronica, hard dnb and mash up sounds.. Which strangely enough people have taken to quite well... Other people are venturing into Europe and further afield but where does this leave the music/party scene in the UK?

While there are forums like this and the Faction, where like minded and dedicated people can get together and discuss things there will always be a 'scene' of sorts... However, things can't exist purely in the virtual sense i'd like to see something regular returning to the UK on the scale of the old North nights which everyone identified with, that is prepared to push the proper underground sounds giving the music the exposure it deserves.

[Si the Sigh]

I miss North & Steam... :cry:

[DJ Enigma]

Aye, the good old days.

[The Teknoist.]

Very true, however the subject at hand is hardcore techno and in recent years it has become more and more difficult to find stuff that is fresh and and exciting to hear (but the same could be applied to any genre of music )...

It all comes back to the commercialised end of the spectrum, ie the more popular end that many people only ever see. It kind of stifles everything underneath it.. However it's the choice of the individual as to what they listen to, but on the other hand you have to ask the question whether they are getting exposure to everything on offer?

You visit boards like USH and UK Scene and when people speak of hardcore techno/gabber it's all D-Boy, Scott Brown, Brisk, Promo etc and Radical Technology, i'm not disrespecting any of them but it's not a true reflection of all that is going on music wise.. Since North finished there has been a serious lack of a solid hardcore techno foundation that regularly brought people and other hardcore techno events together... The 'scene' has become so fragmented, with the Radical Technology nights going more mainstream to fill a gap in the market for more party orientated music. Nights such as Species no longer supply the extreme end of the music, the night that ET and I used to put on (Oblivion) hasn't happened in almost 18 months and nights that do push the boundaries are either one offs or irregular events... More and more labels are becoming mainstream and seem to monopolise the sound, pumping out what sells most which leaves independent artists again struggling for exposure or an outlet for their music.

This leaves the few people that are truly dedicated to the music struggling to get it exposed to a wider audience, hence threads like this.

Instead those that are left pushing the extreme music find themselves venturing into the extreme end of rough electronica, hard dnb and mash up sounds.. Which strangely enough people have taken to quite well... Other people are venturing into Europe and further afield but where does this leave the music/party scene in the UK?

While there are forums like this and the Faction, where like minded and dedicated people can get together and discuss things there will always be a 'scene' of sorts... However, things can't exist purely in the virtual sense i'd like to see something regular returning to the UK on the scale of the old North nights which everyone identified with, that is prepared to push the proper underground sounds giving the music the exposure it deserves.

@Mark.. cheers man :)

@ Dave.. this is exactly why i asked you to pop over to this board mate :)

I believe that North was one of those things that couldnt be pulled off again in that size on a regular basis for a very long time, if ever. Might seem a little defeatest but i dont think it is. North managed to do what it did because it was a sibling of 'Steam', the original hardcore techno event in the North. North carried on from this and 'DRT' and for the simple reason it was THE MOST ESTABLISHED night and one EVERYONE knew. It worked in the same way as if you ask people who their favourite hardcore techno dj was the majority would/will mention Scorpio, Producer, Dolphin, Clarkee, Lofty, HMS... the last 3 havnt played hardcore for years (clarkee plays classics but hasnt bought hardcore since 2000)... Lofty and HMS havnt even poked their noses out from disappearing for years either.

These are the people that were there when it started up here and made that mark at the most crucial time as did North/DRT/Steam. You wont find half as many people giving as much dedication to an event that runs hardcore techno nights as they did North... sad but true fact. 'Ravers' as a whole (and you know this as much as me Dave) are pretty narrow minded and dont like to change much.. im not saying all but the majority.

The thing with hardcore techno sorta merging with electronica/breakcore nights is there is quite a few things pretty much every weekend scattered around the country (some of a pretty big size).. yeah a new flagship hardcore techno night would be awesome every month but aiming at being the size of a busy North event would be a bit foolish.

We're slowly getting to where we want to be i believe.. musicaly and as a scene. We've just gotta have patience and all chip in (as we do really).

hmmm hope this sounds okay! haha