where has the quailty gone?

[crime]

i remember someone coming round to our studio who was quite good but relatively new and going 'my god, you're not supposed to eq like that'.

That's the point where I always think "Cool" 8)

Invent your own traditions
Decode yourself
chuck that rule book in the bin, if it works it works, if it don't, forget it....

[Angrymann]

ok fair point it was only the comment about swapping loops i found a little erksome anyway, like i said thats why i dont like commenting on my own stuff everyone is entitled to an opinion. ok as for the similaritys thing to be honest i think the tribal label thing holds water as a theory i mean for it to be that it has to fit into certain parameter's for it to be a tribal record. im not saying that things cant be pushed further or anything for example of the points you mentioned only marks records have an african vocal and other than tempo i really cant see how they have the same or similair beat. There is going to be some similarity's from the same producer but surely thats part of having your own sound ,i really dont think mark's /paul's / ben's /vince's whatever records on ingoma sound that similair other than the fact that they are tribal style.

as for the churning out tunes comment come on mate your back in the loop swapping territory again.

Cheers for getting back to me. I know it sounded like I am being a bit aggressive or whatever about the whole thing , it's not a case of that at all , I was just getting your opinions. The only reason I am even bothering to give my opinion is that I pay seven quid for each record and after buying about five of them I got a bit miffed when I came to the next one and actually had to think " have I got this already" and had to ask if it was a new one in or had they just put it back out on the racks again.

If you say they are all different then who am I to say they are not. But when you make them and you notice similarites from your last one , do you not get frustrated yourself.

Do you see Tribal as just being a short term thing, beacuse if the sound and style of the music is so similar it can't last very long. Like the Siesta House explosion of a while ago , it was a fresh sound at the time but they didn't prgress it at all , so it becamse shite very quickly. They also had a massive output which to me always suggests milking a situation for all it's worth because you know it's going to be short lived.

But in the end of the day you are producing Techno so that's always good.Plus I liked the Tribal sound that why I was buying the records , but to me you have to mix it with a different style , use th tribal records almost as background to something a bit harder.

I do like to get right into the discussions about this stuff cause I am passionate about it. I don't mean to piss you off by expressing my opinon and I wasn't having backhanded swipes at you either. I think it's a lot to do with my user name and the fact that you can't detect tones of voice etc on this , if it was a face to face conversation we wouldn't have had any problems.


:)

[The Divide]

Oh oh oh, Please dont shoot me for doing this! I know all this has nothing to do with "quality" thread but i gotta add to what Angryman said...

[quote="Angrymann"]

Do you see Tribal as just being a short term thing, beacuse if the sound and style of the music is so similar it can't last very long. Like the Siesta House explosion of a while ago , it was a fresh sound at the time but they didn't prgress it at all , so it becamse shite very quickly. They also had a massive output which to me always suggests milking a situation for all it's worth because you know it's going to be short lived.

But in the end of the day you are producing Techno so that's always good.Plus I liked the Tribal sound that why I was buying the records , but to me you have to mix it with a different style , use th tribal records almost as background to something a bit harder.

Yeah wow, good call! Thats realy how I am starting to aproach/think about things now. I can remenber when I first got into techno, it sounded so much differant to now. I havnt a clue who or what it was I was listening to then (sorry I was 16) but I think it was stuff like Beltrams ballpark things with crazy synths and a bit more minimal sounding. It sounded realy futuristic and advanced. Where as now it doesnt sound like that, well not with some of the tribal stuff. I think about this a lot. Now theres a lot of this tribal stuff about. Sampled drums like congas steel drums etc are always going to sound the same, hench people get bored. I still love that kinda sound but i do see it as a tempory thing.

Yeah it does make a background to something else. Ie if its not based on the drums its bassed on something more unique sounding, like a big "**** off" synth sound, where the tribal drums are there just to fill in the holes in the mix and give background rythm. I think if you make a track thats built soley on conga/brush drum samples (whatever) its always going to have that been there done that feeling no matter what you do with it. Its doesnt mean its bad but it would if thats all that everyone did! Conga drums will never evolve. Congas dont apeal to me as much as something like a synthesised drum sound, the sound of door slamming or a hammer hitting a radiator! shit like that. I dont see the point in using those same drum sounds over and over. Prolly conga loops are recycled a lot coz there an easy way of working. I have done it myself using conga loops off the fatboy slim audio beatz dissfusion. There so easy to chop up and change, yeah at first i found it was a working way of producing a tune but not realy satisfying. A realy mental Dj cunt i know showed me this record....

Makaton - Animal worship on a label called roadz conez.

http://www.substrata.com.au/A557D8/s...256CFC0058A506

If you have this, check out the sounds they used. Its real diverse, why?? The sounds they used as drums (also the sequencing is differant). They realy made the effort to find them instead of reaching for the old conga loop folder in the fatboy slim sample cd. Its these kind of artists that are going to move things forwards its differant, its well done and it works well. Its an amazing record imo.

I was saying how it sounded futuristic, I used to think thats what techno was all about (when I wa' a lad). Not now, I think great techno doesnt have to sound that furistic. Its more about feeling, like the sounds are trying to tell you something scary and you understand and connect with it! Combine that with powerfull sounds and you got a tune I like. I hear this a lot in that Makaton record.

Yeah good one! Although kinda irrelavant.

I think theres quality (mix and content) out there now, I was out last night and I thought about this topic when i stood in the middle of the dancefloor. Yeah, theres a lot shit out and about but theres deffiantly quality out there. Things will move on, Techno always does. Give it time and let it evolve. Techno is just too ****ing good to just die off.

[davethedrummer]

yeah more synths in techno please
warm bass noises/ hard synth clanks / mettalic riffs
that sounds way more futuristic to me than a load of ols loops crashing around.
whatever happened to minimal techno anyway????
is there anything ( dancefloor orientated ) around these days????

[Jimfish]

yes, i second that, of course there is a place for everything (decent), but i do think we need more good quality large sounding synth driven stuff..
we are actually going this way with midi-sync recordings (it is what we allways wanted to do with the label anyway) after this new one it is big phat synth driven monsters all the way.. im REALLY looking forward to it too...

[davethedrummer]

yeah good one
i'm gonna get into a bit of this too
maybe without the computer.

[Jimfish]

yeah, you boys are the ones to do it - youve certainly got the tools!

[The Divide]

Yeah I was at this lil party at someones house this morning and some one was playing some realy minimal but still hard techno. I realy liked it, still had that dancefloor edje. sounded very midi orientated. Its great how you can do all this now without owning a 909. Reason rewired into SX and some decent sounds and your away. Its fun and realy flexable.

[The Divide]

Not forgetting some bad ass synths :D