where has the quailty gone?

[Adverse]

... just spent the last 20 minutes searching records.. 8 out 10 records sound like utter crap. and i don't mean the production, i mean the quality. a perfect examples is the new arkus p on highball or the mark williams on ignoma or the klotzberg on collapse... jesus some of these are trainwrecks.

the new toneman althought not my style is a great contrast with the sounds really tight... adam jay's new default (also not really my bag) was also very well engineered. but i'm saying.. seems to me all the labels or artists aren't putting the effort into there cuts as possible.. maybe i'm dense but i think it's missing.

this is definitely where i agree with death on a stick from the wittekind post(concerning his/their music).. the quality has washed away.

especially in hard techno.. the quality ante needs to be raised.

[DJZeMig_L]

here here...

But I would add that the more we produce/ dj the more demanding we get as well mate..
I have always had probs buying records... so this isn't a new prob. 4 me... not that the quality isn't up 2 this or that but because not many r really up my alley!!

Z

[Sunil]

... just spent the last 20 minutes searching records.. 8 out 10 records sound like utter crap. and i don't mean the production, i mean the quality. a perfect examples is the new arkus p on highball or the mark williams on ignoma or the klotzberg on collapse... jesus some of these are trainwrecks.

the new toneman althought not my style is a great contrast with the sounds really tight... adam jay's new default (also not really my bag) was also very well engineered. but i'm saying.. seems to me all the labels or artists aren't putting the effort into there cuts as possible.. maybe i'm dense but i think it's missing.

this is definitely where i agree with death on a stick from the wittekind post(concerning his/their music).. the quality has washed away.

especially in hard techno.. the quality ante needs to be raised.

Ingoma etc. I agree, a waste of time. Don't have any Wittekind material yet, Amok though is ****in' rocking, end of story, no need to get "Oh its generic" about it, it's not pretending to be anything only hard as ****, I love the Amok EP on Kne'deep, it's quality hard techno

[Adverse]

did i say anything about being generic or even the content of said songs? no. read the bloody thread next time... if buttman is gets on your nerves, you sure get on mine.

[Sam_Horam]

... just spent the last 20 minutes searching records.. 8 out 10 records sound like utter crap. and i don't mean the production, i mean the quality. a perfect examples is the new arkus p on highball or the mark williams on ignoma or the klotzberg on collapse... jesus some of these are trainwrecks.

the new toneman althought not my style is a great contrast with the sounds really tight... adam jay's new default (also not really my bag) was also very well engineered. but i'm saying.. seems to me all the labels or artists aren't putting the effort into there cuts as possible.. maybe i'm dense but i think it's missing.

this is definitely where i agree with death on a stick from the wittekind post(concerning his/their music).. the quality has washed away.

especially in hard techno.. the quality ante needs to be raised.

2nd track on the a side of Ingoma 13 is superb... don't know if you checked it but have a listen.

[MARKEG]

?????? mark

what the ????

don't understand why you wrote what you wrote.

[Sunil]

did i say anything about being generic or even the content of said songs? no. read the bloody thread next time... if buttman is gets on your nerves, you sure get on mine.

Well you did refer to the Wittekind thread, and I gave my opinion in reference to that, never actually said that you said it was generic, just giving my tuppence on the thread *you* ressurrected, you can switch out of defensive mode now Adverse.

Personally I think your initial post could have been better written. Although I think I know what you are saying you aren't making it very clear.

[Jimfish]

i have to agree - far too many records sound piss poor, but this is not a problem with the cut - its bad mixes in the first place.

I know a couple of people whos mixes are below average and they are constantly blaming the sound of thier records on thier mastering engineer.. wrong!

[Sunil]

2nd track on the a side of Ingoma 13 is superb... don't know if you checked it but have a listen.

Actually someone said that to me alright about there being a really good one on it, which kind of surprised me! I just think Ingoma have gone into overkill with the tribal loop, by releasing far too much of the same thing, they've had a new 12" nearly every month I'd say, and the music's become too predictable. I will check this new one though..

[TripleX]

when i go out to get some new records, i´ll for example listen to 50 records, and i will only like about five to ten....
so it´s quite normal for me...but i don´t think there´s a lack of quality, i just think I got a weird taste :lol:

[Sam_Horam]

2nd track on the a side of Ingoma 13 is superb... don't know if you checked it but have a listen.

Actually someone said that to me alright about there being a really good one on it, which kind of surprised me! I just think Ingoma have gone into overkill with the tribal loop, by releasing far too much of the same thing, they've had a new 12" nearly every month I'd say, and the music's become too predictable. I will check this new one though..

I also thought that the a side of no. 12 by our very own Mr. Mac was brilliant. One of my favourite tracks this year.

I agree that some of them haven't been too strong but the last two (12 + 13) and the next one are all good.

[Adverse]

2 people have actually replied in regard to what i was actually writing about. this is silly. quailty of sound! not content!

[miles]

2nd track on the a side of Ingoma 13 is superb... don't know if you checked it but have a listen.

Actually someone said that to me alright about there being a really good one on it, which kind of surprised me! I just think Ingoma have gone into overkill with the tribal loop, by releasing far too much of the same thing, they've had a new 12" nearly every month I'd say, and the music's become too predictable. I will check this new one though..

Don't bother mate, same old stuff.
I think the bongo phase has had it's day.
People are actually making a bit more effort instead of sampling
a dodgy drum loop and releasing it about 10 times
Have a look on the dark experimental forum for something a bit more interesting.

[davethedrummer]

hey adverse
chill out a bit mate. people are just giving their opinions.
it was a little unclear what you were driving at in your original argument.
i think the overall quality sonically and conceptually is getting lower in techno all the time but it's a sign of the times you just don't make no money at it unless you just do it all the time and constantly release stuff.
sometimes things will get a little samey but it's a new record for the dj's to play and even if it's only a little different to the last one it's better than nothing.
but essentially i have to agree then the sound quality in general has been a little poor of late.

[Sunil]

2 people have actually replied in regard to what i was actually writing about. this is silly. quailty of sound! not content!

I agree in the quality of sound part lacking in some records, but hell the quality of records in general has come on an awful lot to say, 10 years ago. Maybe an average hard techno track doesn't sound as polished as something on Kanzleramt , but it's not that big a deal is it? If it's a good tune, it's a good tune. An amazing record should rise above whatever reservations we may have about the sound quality.

It's all subjective anyway, I think the quality on many Theo Parrish house records are awful, really faint levels and kickdrum which sounds too loud...yet a fan of his would really dig it for the fact that it sounds rough and ready, the same applies to many techno records too. I'd say 8 out of 10 of techno releases that I hear are fine in the sound quality department, not vica versa.

[Adverse]

hey adverse
chill out a bit mate. people are just giving their opinions.
it was a little unclear what you were driving at in your original argument.
i think the overall quality sonically and conceptually is getting lower in techno all the time but it's a sign of the times you just don't make no money at it unless you just do it all the time and constantly release stuff.
sometimes things will get a little samey but it's a new record for the dj's to play and even if it's only a little different to the last one it's better than nothing.
but essentially i have to agree then the sound quality in general has been a little poor of late.

'8 out 10 records sound like utter crap. and i don't mean the production, i mean the quality.'

i don't know how i could have been clearer henry.

[DJAmok]

A lot of the stuff from Germany has lower quality, cuz we can´t afford vinyl mastering. Hardtechno is not a biog market, and when you´re selling around 1000 copies, 300 Euro for Vinyl mastering is very expensive.

Arkus P. and Wittekind have very good sound quality on mp3 but the stuff gets pressed as is from wav to Vinyl. :cry:

[technosnob]

Adverse, I feel your pain....When I started playing records way back in the 80's you expected that the "audio quality" may suffer from record to record. And it did.(cheap ananlog gear vs. expensive analog gear)
Nowadays with all the digital equipment, where audio will never see an analog audio cable you would expect that "audio quality" would be better. And in whole I believe that most records do sound a lot better.

But yes it does break my nut when you play a record with a high recording standard. Then you try to mix it with something that sounded like it came from my ass. (you haven' seen my ass. It's not pretty)

But such is life, my sad ass and all.

[Sunil]

Adverse, I feel your pain

Yes indeed! Life is tough :)

[Sam_Horam]

I now understand what you mean Adverse but you weren't very clear mate...

Anyway when you said you were scanning records were you listening to the vinyl thru a decent system or what???

That's the only way to judge how it sounds....

Some tracks sound ok thru headphones/in a shop but are absolute beasts on a decent system.