where has the quailty gone?

**Sam_Horam** · 21-07-2003, 01:12 AM

Anyways...

The quality is always varying...depends on so much stuff...I don't think you can say there is a definite trend towards bad sounding stuff...

Give us some specific examples....

**Adverse** · 21-07-2003, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sam_Horam

Anyways...

The quality is always varying...depends on so much stuff...I don't think you can say there is a definite trend towards bad sounding stuff...

Give us some specific examples....

i mean it's not like i didn't in the first post or anything.

**Dustin Zahn** · 21-07-2003, 08:11 AM

I understood you the first time, Adverse. :)

I agree totally. Its because a lot of these older producers are too lazy to do any research on producing better masters of their music. These new producers coming up don't know a damn thing about music at all most of the time, therefore they can't master to save their soul. Its amazing how the sound quality has come on some records, but at the same time theres a lot of shit.

it's a shame too cause I'm sure we've all got records with really great tracks but they're mastered so piss-poor it ruins a lot of the fun. I think it also crosses with that one post someone stated about draining the life out of samples by over-EQing them to get away with using the sample.

No matter what the reason is...it's great that people can produce tracks easily now, but they need to work on their mastering.

**Clarkus** · 22-07-2003, 12:11 AM

I'm just starting to produce tracks and as you well know there's alot to take in. You can't just get it perfect straight away. If you could that would be great :D. But you don't, you make some mistakes along the way and learn from them!

Some of us are still learnin'!!

**Jimfish** · 22-07-2003, 07:37 AM

Mastering is one thing but really its all in the MIX tho.

**zap** · 22-07-2003, 09:46 AM

i agree with clarkus we have to get or tracks out there learn from our mistakes and progres from that after all we can,t be perfect from day one so just get your shit out there and lets make techno biger and better

**Si the Sigh** · 22-07-2003, 10:22 AM

Curvepusher = Quality

**Adverse** · 22-07-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Jimfish

Mastering is one thing but really its all in the MIX tho.

mhmmm it is.

**Jimfish** · 22-07-2003, 06:26 PM

you know this

**Angrymann** · 23-07-2003, 02:00 PM

I agree on both points . The first point which Adverse made about the SOUND of the records. Some of them really are bad and like someone else posted you don't really notice until you are trying to mix it with a well produced crisp record , you've sometimes got no ****ing chance of making the mix decent without redlining or whatever ( and that just adds to the shite sound , more distorrtion etc etc).

The quality of actual tunes is a lot worse than even two years ago. Ingoma is a very very good example of this , I bought a couple at the start and thought "these are nice background building beats in here, I could use this....nice". But if you check all the releases there are very few differences regardless of who produced the track (Mark Williams , Ben Sims,Vincent Davis, Jorge (Paul Mac) Zammecona) , which to me shows that it's a case of loop sharing amongst mates, four different people should never come up with the same sound unless they are USING the same sounds, it's a ****ing impossibility.

Like, I think Dave said , it's due to having to make money to keep the labels going that people release so many , but I personally get very suspicious of labels that have releases out all the time , it's not possible to maintain quality with that sort of output. Examples : Drumcode (rubbish now , simple as that , how many Henrik B 76 beyer remixes can we have that sound exactly the same), Primate ( too much nonsense vocally shit on them now).

This won't change until there is a new wave of ideas that grab peoples imaginiation , that have enough good points to make the tunes really good but not too much so that you get bored with the concept straightaway. Viscious circle really!!

**Patrick DSP** · 23-07-2003, 04:07 PM

I'll be more than happy to offer my mastering services to anyone that asks...

I've had many compliments from lawrie (according to chris lib) and many other pressing plants in the uk and germany about my abilities.

-Patrick DSP
icq: 68377933

**Angrymann** · 23-07-2003, 04:44 PM

There you go then lads, someone that can master and blow his own trumpet too !!!! ( only kidding)

**Patrick DSP** · 23-07-2003, 04:55 PM

it's a talent.

:P

**Dustin Zahn** · 23-07-2003, 05:38 PM

I doubt the material on big club labels has a positive correlation with the sound. You may not be a big Adam Beyer or Henrik B fan, but their sound quality isn't exactly terrible.

**Adverse** · 23-07-2003, 05:51 PM

i agree 100%

these guys have their shit down to a t.

**YouKnowILoveYou** · 23-07-2003, 06:08 PM

My shit is 'well produced' out of my arse,
does that make it good?

I can't understand how people interchange and confuse musickal inspiration & quality with production quality.

????

**Jimfish** · 23-07-2003, 06:22 PM

nobody is confusing anything..

this thread is about PRODUCTION QUALITY! and that alone

**YouKnowILoveYou** · 23-07-2003, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jimfish

nobody is confusing anything..

this thread is about PRODUCTION QUALITY! and that alone

My point exactly, you are confused. Check the first post of this thread-

Originally Posted by Adverse

... just spent the last 20 minutes searching records.. 8 out 10 records sound like utter crap. and i don't mean the production, i mean the quality.

**herman** · 23-07-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Angrymann

I agree on both points . The first point which Adverse made about the SOUND of the records. Some of them really are bad and like someone else posted you don't really notice until you are trying to mix it with a well produced crisp record , you've sometimes got no **** chance of making the mix decent without redlining or whatever ( and that just adds to the shite sound , more distorrtion etc etc).

The quality of actual tunes is a lot worse than even two years ago. Ingoma is a very very good example of this , I bought a couple at the start and thought "these are nice background building beats in here, I could use this....nice". But if you check all the releases there are very few differences regardless of who produced the track (Mark Williams , Ben Sims,Vincent Davis, Jorge (Paul Mac) Zammecona) , which to me shows that it's a case of loop sharing amongst mates, four different people should never come up with the same sound unless they are USING the same sounds, it's a **** impossibility.

Like, I think Dave said , it's due to having to make money to keep the labels going that people release so many , but I personally get very suspicious of labels that have releases out all the time , it's not possible to maintain quality with that sort of output. Examples : Drumcode (rubbish now , simple as that , how many Henrik B 76 beyer remixes can we have that sound exactly the same), Primate ( too much nonsense vocally shit on them now).

This won't change until there is a new wave of ideas that grab peoples imaginiation , that have enough good points to make the tunes really good but not too much so that you get bored with the concept straightaway. Viscious circle really!!

not really into directly answering post's about my own stuff everyone is entitled to there opinion and all that but to suggest that some of us swap drum or any other kind of sound to make tracks for the same label truly is laughable if there are similarity's in the tracks it's probably more to do with the fact it's a tribal label than anything else.

**Adverse** · 23-07-2003, 08:06 PM

herman!

i want to hear your opinion on the topic! do you have one? RE: quality..

and mark's too?... he left some weird comment when i started the thread that i didn't really understand.

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