I know what you're saying Matt...... I expect 4 beat breaks with hard trance (especially Italian stuff), so I take it into consideration when mixing... but with techno, producers generally tend to keep it 'straight', so when you mix the odd one that does lose time, it's highly irritating. Would extending the 'gap' from 4 to 8 or 16 beats really make the track less innovative? If you think yes, then why can't the producer just do his/her innovative timing ****-up in the middle of the track and not during the mix-in/mix-out?