You have to be kidding me.

[SlavikSvensk]

i agree. this is already a song, and this adds, IMO, absolutely nothing to it except making it more white. sorry to be so negative, and i certainly don't mean to put down anyone who might dig this (to each their own), but i think antonio is 100% right...

[machina]

just wait until we get riverdance schranz...

rivertrance? it's time for a new genre. :lol:

machina

[pedrod]

I can honestly say it's tracks like this that are why techno is in the state that it is in right now.
I would tell Pete and Wilko this to their face.
Good job fellas, for pissing on techno and the people who love it.
Why don't you put more than 5 minutes of thought behind an idea before you make a track and get that royalty check off your work from the label that is courting you and expecting at least a half hours work on a track.

Pete has not been part of ignition technician for well over a year now at least (maybe longer) - its now just wilko

and come on.. the track maybe a bit lame, but it is the 2nd track on the b-side... !!

[The Divide]

I had a listen to see what the rant was about. I thought it was a bit boring, too basic and that breakdown was a weak. Can’t say I have any problems with the sampled elements in this track tho, I do think this could have been done a lot better, much more raw and jacking.

To me it isn’t much different to the schranze bootlegs that are kicking about. All those are to me are samples of original tracks with basic techno elements of that sub genre added to them without anything else to compliment the feeling/expression/idea of the other track. These tracks have a novelty purpose and nothing else. I don’t think drawing attention to these tracks via the forums are worth it tho, I mean what makes this any worse than some boring B side you never remember on some record years ago

Besides all it does is make people moan (like I just did)

[The Divide]

[quote="pedrod"]

and come on.. the track maybe a bit lame, but it is the 2nd track on the b-side... !!

I had a feeling it was a B side. Im sure someone would like this track and its not like the production sucks, the kick was tight, the hats sat ok

Each to their own and all that

[The Overfiend]

I can honestly say it's tracks like this that are why techno is in the state that it is in right now.
I would tell Pete and Wilko this to their face.
Good job fellas, for pissing on techno and the people who love it.
Why don't you put more than 5 minutes of thought behind an idea before you make a track and get that royalty check off your work from the label that is courting you and expecting at least a half hours work on a track.

Pete has not been part of ignition technician for well over a year now at least (maybe longer) - its now just wilko

and come on.. the track maybe a bit lame, but it is the 2nd track on the b-side... !!

My point is that with people trying to get their shit out even a b side should count.
With all the various artists ep's out now. Not because the material is bad but because
the distro's all want wank.
From a producer stand point my niece could have made that track with
some good kicks and no kick loops.
You know where I am coming from or apparently not.
and it may be the 2nd on the b side but check the rest of that ep.

[TechMouse]

just wait until we get riverdance schranz...

[rhythmtech]

i personnaly dont like this cause its lazy (and i really really dont like queen... but thats another story). we've all made tracks that sample the fcuk out of something or other but i know most people will try use that sample within the context of their track. this bassline just sounds as if it was thrown on top of an unfinished track.
this maybe a b-side but thats no excuse. i know, given the chance, i wouldn't release anything i didn't think was great... b-side or not..

but each to their own.

[Tremor]

To be fair, I do like some of Ignition Technicians' trax, not too big on their ghetto stuff tho.. And this track does sound boring and just a bit cheezy.. I think it's the vocal that ruins it the most..

[Serendipity]

I don't like it either, but...

that is shocking and depressing... maybe we just have higher standards. but if i was a shop owner/buyer whatever... i wouldn't even stock that on moral grounds alone, never mind the personal issues i'd have with it. the queen bassline is a disgrace and the vocal sounds so dull and boring. i think this is one for room 101.

I know plenty of records shop owners who must sell stuff that they don't like in order for their business to survive - if a record is going to sell, then a record shop should have it. I mean, say you're a Techno shop in South London - you're not gonna survive unless you stock Garage - you may not like to, but it's a business decision and record shop owners need to remain sensibly open minded to all styles.

Yeh that is absolute sh1te, You really would wonder about the fundementals behind that music( if you can call it that).

But it has got me thinking, what would people think of naming and shaming artists who are producing absolute crap ,in order to let the wider community know that its simply not good enough and that its having a negative effect on the music as whole.

maybe its abit negative but why shouldn't we say what we want.

Don't you think that that's a bit elitist? It's a question of peoples tastes - everyone knows that peoplle like music that other people don't - but to suggest trying to "bring down" these artists you don't like is over the top - imagine if some music snobbists hated the Techno you love - and they managed to get the music boycotted and not made any more - we'd all be furious, mainly because we have a freedom of choice, to like what we want, and for someone else to say "you shouldn't make that" is simply ridiculous. The same works both ways, and as everyone knows, most people listen to crap music, you should just think yourself lucky you have better taste and go and listen to a record that you really like instead of worrying about music you don't.

[davethedrummer]

im playing with wilko tonight
shall i write this all down and present it to him?
i think not.


at the end of the day:

no he is not responsible for the state of techno today

no i still don't agree with threads just started to say something is "shite"

come on lads we're better than this.

[djshiva]

im playing with wilko tonight
shall i write this all down and present it to him?
i think not.

sure. why not? if he can't handle a critique of his stuff, he probably shoudn't be releasing records. that said, a critique is something more than "ooof this is shite". but i do think critique is necessary for techno to move forward instead of using lazy sampling (and inmho, that's what this track sounds like...laziness)

at the end of the day:

no he is not responsible for the state of techno today

no i still don't agree with threads just started to say something is "shite"

come on lads we're better than this.

no he's not responsible for the state of techno today. but we are all individually responsible for our own output. and that track, quite frankly, is lazy and pretty boring to boot. just coming on and slagging it is kind of useless, but i think we can use this as a springboard for a discussion on sampling and perhaps even quality control.

too many producers are shoving out tracks left and right that, quite frankly, are crap. part of this IS the ep format. so if you have one HOT track and you have to fill up the rest of the record, it seems like too many people just throw something on there. anything, just to fill it up.

and i am unwilling anymore to pay import prices for one hot track anymore. i think a lot of people are. and i think that (along with economics and distro issues) has a hell of a lot to do with the difficulty labels are having with selling records.

so perhaps all of this typing is just me saying i think a bit of quality control on the producer end would be nice. i would rather buy a various artist ep that has one hot track from 3 or 4 people, than an individual artist's ep that has one good tune and 2 or 3 crap ones.

[The Overfiend]

im playing with wilko tonight
shall i write this all down and present it to him?
i think not.

sure. why not? if he can't handle a critique of his stuff, he probably shoudn't be releasing records. that said, a critique is something more than "ooof this is shite". but i do think critique is necessary for techno to move forward instead of using lazy sampling (and inmho, that's what this track sounds like...laziness)

at the end of the day:

no he is not responsible for the state of techno today

no i still don't agree with threads just started to say something is "shite"

come on lads we're better than this.

no he's not responsible for the state of techno today. but we are all individually responsible for our own output. and that track, quite frankly, is lazy and pretty boring to boot. just coming on and slagging it is kind of useless, but i think we can use this as a springboard for a discussion on sampling and perhaps even quality control.

too many producers are shoving out tracks left and right that, quite frankly, are crap. part of this IS the ep format. so if you have one HOT track and you have to fill up the rest of the record, it seems like too many people just throw something on there. anything, just to fill it up.

and i am unwilling anymore to pay import prices for one hot track anymore. i think a lot of people are. and i think that (along with economics and distro issues) has a hell of a lot to do with the difficulty labels are having with selling records.

so perhaps all of this typing is just me saying i think a bit of quality control on the producer end would be nice. i would rather buy a various artist ep that has one hot track from 3 or 4 people, than an individual artist's ep that has one good tune and 2 or 3 crap ones.

You f*cking go girl, Took the words right out of my mouth.

And Yes Henry tell him that there is a thread criticizing this as part of our downfall.
It might inspire him to come correct again, I don't understand why you think a thread like this is unneccessary, when you yourself have a section on your critiques for up and coming producers on your website. Since this is a forum for artists and the people, should not the artists that are actively releasing be under scrutiny as well? No one is above critique.

[RDR]

AKAIK.. richard wont give a shit what anyone thinks. simple.

he's coining it in releasing this kind of stuff, playing all over the world and living in yorkshire. wether or not you rate him (i personally dont mind some of his tracks) it is right and proper to criticise. As long as it is to the point and constructive. you cant stop criticism, it was ever thus.

[Martin Dust]

Crikey...I reckon you lot need to get out a bit more :)

[RDR]

but its raining! would you send me out into the yorkshire cold? :P

[dan the acid man]

but its raining! would you send me out into the yorkshire cold? :P

aye, you cant call yourself a proper yorkshireman, unless you can stand outside in the freezing cold winter rain, wearing nothing but a vest and some kind of trousers obviously

[Tremor]

Here's a thought.. When 2Pac said that phrase he meant something by it. It was a social commentary, not just a loop pasted over a bassline to inspire nostalgia induced ass shaking..

[TechMouse]

aye, you cant call yourself a proper yorkshireman, unless you can stand outside in the freezing cold winter rain, wearing nothing but a vest and some kind of trousers obviously

See, a proper yorkshire man would have said "nowt".

[dan the acid man]

your right techmouse, i hang my head in shame