Marketing Vs Artistic Creativity

**crime** · 29-07-2003, 01:11 AM

woah? what happened there? feel free to delete the quote if you want dude, looks like I'm putting words in your mouth! 8) delete this as well after....

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:12 AM

sorry guys i've deleted that post by mistake!!!! too much red wine!!!!

**davethedrummer** · 29-07-2003, 01:13 AM

aaaah the ol' red wine trick eh?

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:14 AM

shall i go and sit in the corner?????????

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:14 AM

sorry!!!!!

**crime** · 29-07-2003, 01:15 AM

I've got a cone shaped hat with a big "D" on it if you like?? :lol:

**davethedrummer** · 29-07-2003, 01:15 AM

yeah don't forget your sandwich!

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:16 AM

you bastards i feel silly now

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:17 AM

can we get back to the discussion?????????????????????????? hehehehhehe.....

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:18 AM

hey you two shall i delete these irelevant posts?

**davethedrummer** · 29-07-2003, 01:18 AM

sorry mark
let's wait till someone else suggests something outragous
then we'll forget it ever happened
and get straight back to arguing again.

**MARKEG** · 29-07-2003, 01:28 AM

np's... come on then - what does everyone else think?

**Jimfish** · 29-07-2003, 08:18 AM

aww man, i allways miss the best bits of a discussion - i spend half my waking life checking this feckin board and i STILL miss the good shiz...

I say absolutly: two projects is the way to go to make few quid and get some feeling of achievement at the same time.. this is actually what i do - cept i have several secret projects..
the other thing is to think what else we can do with our equipment/skills..
surround mixing? dvd authoring? tv production? engineering shite hard house for nugs with big chains round thier necks? not forgetting public toilet fellati...oh no, sorry thats just me.

Its all a bit cack, but if you force yourself to do stuff you wouldnt otherwise do to earn a few quid you actually do learn quite a bit (well, i have) so when you come to do your own stuff you have new techniques etc you can apply, which obviously is good for the creative process.

One point i would like to make here is when crime said somthing about it being the distributors job to market the record etc. Im not sure i agree - it seems a lot of peole expect too much from thier distributor, they are just there to sell in my eyes. IMO It is down to the label to make sure everyone knows who they are and create demand for the records. Could be misunderstsdin you here though as i cant see exactly what you wrote..

**crime** · 29-07-2003, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jimfish

One point i would like to make here is when crime said somthing about it being the distributors job to market the record etc. Im not sure i agree - it seems a lot of peole expect too much from thier distributor, they are just there to sell in my eyes. IMO It is down to the label to make sure everyone knows who they are and create demand for the records. Could be misunderstsdin you here though as i cant see exactly what you wrote..

What I meant was if the distributors want to see it as marketing then that's their lookout.....
I've got nothing against doing a few mailouts myself, getting a few reviews or a bit of radio play ... what i'm not into is watering down my sound in the hope it will sell better...

**Jimfish** · 29-07-2003, 08:59 AM

ah ha!

**wenna** · 29-07-2003, 10:02 AM

perhaps some ppl from, the forum (with money) can get together and start a distribution company??

i think we all know where each other are coming from (most of the time!)

**DJZeMig_L** · 29-07-2003, 11:26 AM

I'm for the having something 2 fall back into angle... But make sure U do something that doesn't take all yer time & inspiration...

I think in terms of music like all in life it's all about compromise... U have 2 find yer limits, and feel confortably within them...

Others create different "aka"s for different projects.. I think this is the most explored angle ... have a name like "I.dig.cash" and another like "this.is.the sh**.I.really.luv"...

Labels should market..

Distrib. should push records (but not just sit on they're ars** and wait 4 the orders 2 come in"..

Z

**Col** · 29-07-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by crime

As I said to Tony in the aformentioned thread, we're viewing it from 2 very different angles...
Personally, I did a couple of releases this year, that, whilst being competent, I didn't feel were really me, or what I wanted to be doing... I went for the dancefloor jugular, and while it worked, I felt the material was generic.. it's kind of ironic, as for one of the releases I was supposed to receive a reasonable sum of money as an advance, and I did feel like I was doing the records to earn some dollar.. I never got the money, the label seems to have taken me for a fool... now I feel that was a bit of a wrong move, and I should follow my heart, and just do what I want to do.... Giving in to commercial pressure is letting the tail wag the dog, and to be honest, after my recent experience, I'd rather have to take a day job, than sacrifice my artistic integrity... I have now secured 4 releases which take me back to my more experimental roots, and I must say I feel a lot happier for it....
As an artist you should be respected for what you do... If the distribution people feel they have to market it to sell it, that's no concern of mine, and to be honest, I have no interest in it... this is what the distribution people get their percentage for... I just write the stuff!
I do get what you mean in some ways about having an identity, but thinking about this too much can make you limit yourself in the diversity of stuff you put out... I've always been interested in a wide variety of music, and I'd like to think my productions reflect that...Maybe this has worked against me, because someone my hear one record of mine they don't like, and assume they wouldn't like any of it... but I'm not just going to stick to one thing to fit in comfortably... I think the thought that getting more money doesn't neccesarily makes the music better.. I think some of the best techno has been written on very limited kit, when the producer is hungry and skint, on the edge....
As I have said before, it seems to me like a lot of companies trying to earn a crust out of this scene are trying to play it safer and safer, and as a result, the music is less exciting, so less people buy it, so everyone plays safer repeat ad infinitum etc etc....

Personally, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing, I'd rather be broke, and pushing the boundaries, than not feeling happy with myself because I didn't do what I felt I was truely capable of... Doing my own thing seems to be paying off for me more anyway....

respect to you man!

this is how every musician should think,
many people are willing to use their gift/talent to exploit music for all its worth, this is wrong, if you have to earn a living then find another job,
but dont exploit & spoil your passion for music, i cant understand why people do this, dont they have a conscience? at least you realised what you was doing was wrong, im glad to hear that, respect

p.s i hope yopu earn a bucket load from making innovative music
best of luck!

**AUYA** · 29-07-2003, 03:49 PM

hi guys, i´m from Brasil, my english is bad and i´d like to say something but i don´t know how...

so....Keep working!!!

dave i think you are in the right way, i like your productions and all the brazilians too...you got our respect, always bringing to us good techno (acid, hard, whatever...always good!!!). Open mind!!! Don´t limit yourselve!!! I know you don´t...

Hope you understand something!!!

I´m just waiting november to see you and chris lib again!!! this party will be very nice!!!

c ya!!!

**Jimfish** · 29-07-2003, 03:51 PM

ahhhhh!

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