VINYL AND DJ'ING.. quote by Fabio

[TechMouse]

as this is the most commonly used digital format, discounting PA's played on laptop's where the WAV file is present?

I'd disagree, as given access to a CD player I'll often play tracks off CDs which I've bought...

But Jay's right.

mp3 sounds poo on a rig until you get up to 256kbps or higher.

Past that, it might as well be CD.

(IMHO).

[Miromiric]

192 is ok, you can notice the difference, although i bet 90% of people can not. especially not on a big club soundsystem. noone can there. :mashed:

[paranoiduk]

maybe if all clubs around the globe had a state of the art sound system we might notice the difference, but unfortunately most techno clubs are gonna find it hard to supply a system of the quality that would enable most of us to tell the difference. a lot of clubs still run a mono system, so again its got to be down to quality tunes. if the music really rocks the house, only fools will be complaining at the end of the night, because no matter what the medium is, its all about the music, and i think that maybe we should all bear that in mind.

[djshiva]

However the fact that D&B more than any other genre controls new music through the use of dubplates probably has got something to do with his comments....not very easy to control the burning of cd's is it? and if you don't have exclusive music to offer..well what have you got? not a lot....

that hits it right on the head there. that has always been my issue with DnB (incidentally, i used to play it as well as techno). the one major thing that separated the top names for years was access to dubs. that said, most of the big names that i have heard on the decks were utter shite. the only reason they were there was having the dubs. now when some hot bedroom jock can throw down a set of unreleased tunes from his mates, as well as drop vinyl, and blow away the top names because they have really worked on their skills in those bedroom years, it makes the competition a bit tougher and a bit more egalitarian (in my opinion).

so now what's required from the top jocks is to keep innovating to stay on top, instead of resting on their past accomplishments and dubplates...

awwww...i am cryin' for em. really.

[SlavikSvensk]

It's like the old analogue vs Digital Synth debate. What most people mistake for quality in real analogue synthesizers is the circuits misbehaving and distorting in their own particular idioms. Digital Synths are actually much more crisp and accurate.

it has to do with the human ear too. recorded analog frequeny range is similar to our own. digital's more accurate high-end can sound unnatural to us. doesn't mean it IS unnatural, just seems that way to many people...

[G-BO]

some good points made, but nobody is really denying that one is better than the other without each having their pros and cons, i hate the fact that once certain djs have slaved their guts out to get them certain tunes by travelling miles and listening to thousands and thousands of sh*tty old and new records to get that perfect collection for some snot nosed bangwagon jumpers to get their mummies or daddies to buy them a laptop and fs and presto a week later they basically got a vinyl friendly collection of tunes much greater than yours


id rather have a tangible listening hobby than be a internet file sharing moron who dosent know what the game is really all about

[TechMouse]

i hate the fact that once certain djs have slaved their guts out to get them certain tunes by travelling miles and listening to thousands and thousands of sh*tty old and new records to get that perfect collection for some snot nosed bangwagon jumpers to get their mummies or daddies to buy them a laptop and fs and presto a week later they basically got a vinyl friendly collection of tunes much greater than yours

That's a bit of a shaky argument.

It's a bit like when old people go on about us young'uns "not knowing we're born" because they had to walk everywhere and get their water out of a well, when we use cars / public transport and have clean running water. Of course, they don't genuinely for a minute wish that we had to go through the discomfort - they're just bitter because they did.

OK, so you've had to go to great lengths to get your vinyl collection... are you honestly telling me it wasn't kind of fun along the way? If not, then fair enough, you have my sympathy... why did you bother?

If it was fun, then the fact that "some snot nosed bangwagon jumpers" can have the "same" music for free shouldn't bother you - because you know (as I do) that sometimes the point of a journey is not the destination, but what happens along the way.

id rather have a tangible listening hobby than be a internet file sharing moron who dosent know what the game is really all about

... and that's the key, isn't it.

We'll keep buying vinyl regardless of it's shortcomings because it's cool, and we love it. But that doesn't mean we should necessarily shun newer technology. The real winners will embrace everything and use it all to it's various advantages.

[Jay Pace]

Not sure the game is really all about slaving your guts out to get tunes mate.

Its about having your own style, connecting with a crowd and having solid skills.
If a snot nose bandwagon jumper can achieve this by spending an hour on soulseek (and trust me, that is never going to happen) then fair play to them.
One of the things about filesharing is that people download thousands of records, then never really listen to any of them. They just hoard them on their hard drives.

The people who invested time, effort and money in the scene are the people who understand it, and make good djs.
Having access to loads of records doesn't make you a good dj.
Recognising what makes a good tune, and learning how and when to play it makes you a good dj.