calling all producers-hardware vs software

**dirty_bass** · 09-12-2005, 09:20 PM

Me to, as a rule yamaha sounds are really thin and GM sounding, unless it`s on some of their more "analog" sysnthesising stuff.
Of course if you do a lot to it with processing then it can be good.
But then it`s not sounding good, straight out of the hardware, as was the whole argument in the first place.

**holotropik** · 09-12-2005, 10:54 PM

For me...
I have never been able to grasp working with sound on a PC. When ReBirth first came out I was given a copy, I loved it. I sat there day and night climbing all over it, going WOW!!
BUT...
The whole time I wished that I could have all the machines in front of me so I could touch them and adjust things two at a time, more quickly and instinctively. So I went out and got me some hardware and have used harware only ever since.....coz I just cant get into using a PC for anything other than recording and mastering Live Jams off the machines.

It is important to not look at the sound on the screen while creating or mastering.....only listen.

I am not against the use of the PC for creativity.....it just doesnt work for me.

**dirty_bass** · 10-12-2005, 12:52 AM

I think people use the screen thing as an excuse.
The PC is more acccessable, so it`s easy just to set things up when uninspired.
Hardware is no more intuitive than pc, especially if you have good controllers and such, but when you use hardware there`s more commitment to what you are doing at the time, because it`s such an efort to set everything up.

The point is, neither is better.

Do your thing in whatever way suits you and recognise that the best method for you, is the best method for you, and that`s about it..

**Stella Boy** · 10-12-2005, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by stjohn

Originally Posted by grain

and take over the world!!!!

so what are we doing tonight????

same thing we do everynight!

......

:) :clap:

**Jay Pace** · 10-12-2005, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by holotropik

For me...
I have never been able to grasp working with sound on a PC. When ReBirth first came out I was given a copy, I loved it. I sat there day and night climbing all over it, going WOW!!
BUT...
The whole time I wished that I could have all the machines in front of me so I could touch them and adjust things two at a time, more quickly and instinctively. So I went out and got me some hardware and have used harware only ever since.....coz I just cant get into using a PC for anything other than recording and mastering Live Jams off the machines.

It is important to not look at the sound on the screen while creating or mastering.....only listen.

I am not against the use of the PC for creativity.....it just doesnt work for me.

With you there.

But then I bought a midi controller, and that changed everything.

**el salvador** · 11-12-2005, 11:37 PM

i am loving all the info here guys. thanks a lot to you all ;)

**imported_admin** · 12-12-2005, 12:15 AM

yeah totally not feeling this new guy 'use the search option' thing. come on, i'm sure we've all been newbies before.

we're not a geeky tech site with an exclusive 'club' at the end of the day ;)

let's help each other!

**el salvador** · 12-12-2005, 12:44 AM

i think there has been a lot of interesting sayings made here. lots of people have said cool things on a thread that i had started. it may be boring to some, but everyone does not have to be reading this, but i think the reactions here speak for themselves

**Centurian** · 12-12-2005, 01:33 AM

Haven't read the thread, but best thing to do to start off (assuming you have a sequncer on your PC) is get a small MIDI port and a MIDI keyboard and download some software as well. THe MIDI port will leave room for expansion if you want to get more hardware, another keyboard, reverb or something.
The keyboard will make producing much quicker and easier, then you can start building up your software and hardware on top of an already operational studio.

Eventually i'd have a PC with Cubase SX & Reason for the sequencing & soundbanks, along with various plug-ins, a Mac with Logic for the compression, bus routing, live recording etc and have it all linked up to a Mackie mixing desk. Well, that's how i was taught anyway, i'm still a bit of a n00b really.

**eyeswithoutaface** · 12-12-2005, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by ADMIN

yeah totally not feeling this new guy 'use the search option' thing. come on, i'm sure we've all been newbies before.

we're not a geeky tech site with an exclusive 'club' at the end of the day ;)

let's help each other!

yeah let it lie then man, i apologised and offered my opinion, so lets stay on topic hey?

**eyeswithoutaface** · 12-12-2005, 01:53 AM

good point by the way whoever said about the almost underlying feeling that you have to use one or the other exclusively

**Centurian** · 12-12-2005, 02:14 AM

Personally, i think some of the hardware just rules, anyone heard of Moog?
Some of the warmest bass lines i've ever heard.

As a producer i'd certainly be looking at using both, the more variation you have in software and hardware the more inventive and creative you can be right?
Each have their own attributes and having the choice of both leaves your creative ability much more open.

Bottom line is you need a decent PC, plug-ins & Keyboard to start imo, then start building your rack mount, get your drum machine, 303 etc etc. For me, that would be my natural progression for building my studio.

**mrbishi** · 12-12-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by audioinjection

Originally Posted by el salvador

hey maybe i buy a book if people are hostile. things are very different here

its not that people are hostile, its just that this topic has been discussed and argued many times.....its more of a preference between the two, you'll basically have to try both worlds in order to find out which you like best ;)

Just to play this to death a while longer lmao I must agree with this comment try both its a producers own preference has to what is best to use, personally I think the best of both worlds is the best option a nice midi connection into software. I mean with Reason which looks like hardware anyway you can always rewire it into cubase so with the combination of VSTs and such its limitless to what you can do by what you get your hands on. << Theres a tounge twister and a half

**tocsin** · 12-12-2005, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

whatever suits your wallet and working space... this is an arguement that'll go on forever but the most common answer is pick the best of both worlds.

What he said.

**massplanck** · 12-12-2005, 11:30 PM

software users smell of poo.

**dirty_bass** · 12-12-2005, 11:31 PM

Anyone who uses anything other than a hollow log, a skull, and a thigh bone, doesn`t know the true meaning of music.

**massplanck** · 12-12-2005, 11:34 PM

if software is so ****ing great then how come i have yet to see a guitarist up on onstage with a laptop and a copy of virtual guitarist 2.0?

**massplanck** · 12-12-2005, 11:42 PM

no offence.

but playing with reason.... wheres the orionality in that. its like 1,000,000 producers having EXACTLY the same figgin studio setup. Baffles me.

Make your own drumkit. Buy some shitty mikes. Record you and your mates beating each other and sucking dogs off througha boss distortion pedal. get em all to buy a drum machine each - create some ckerazy Bidule/Reaktor setup for your inputs - JAM. Modulate off each other.. like, whatever.

Pre packagded off the shelf shit can suck my cock. If you want your music to be inventive your ways and means had better be too.

**massplanck** · 12-12-2005, 11:43 PM

CANT WE GET A FRIGGING EDIT BUTTON ALREADY IN HERE MANG?

**Centurian** · 12-12-2005, 11:47 PM

lol

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