calling all producers-hardware vs software

[audioinjection]

we're still on this topic? haha

[massplanck]

Also. There is nothing more depressing than someone making music all by themselves in a little room having their little head fried by a cathode ray tube. What a ****ing techno cliche.

Techno was around before pc's & computers & software became the norm and it will still be around when they run their course (WHAT!)

Anyone ever listen to Konono no.1?

[dirty_bass]

cathode ray tube? people still use them?

[dirty_bass]

no offence.

but playing with reason.... wheres the orionality in that. its like 1,000,000 producers having EXACTLY the same figgin studio setup. Baffles me.

Make your own drumkit. Buy some shitty mikes. Record you and your mates beating each other and sucking dogs off througha boss distortion pedal. get em all to buy a drum machine each - create some ckerazy Bidule/Reaktor setup for your inputs - JAM. Modulate off each other.. like, whatever.

Pre packagded off the shelf shit can suck my cock. If you want your music to be inventive your ways and means had better be too.

Inventiveness comes from the mind. Whatever tool you use to get the job done is almost irelevant.

I`ve heard mindless uncreative shit made in the best analog studios available.
I`ve also heard amazing original creative stuff done with really cheesy bog standard software.
Who cares, it`s the mind that is interesting.

[el salvador]

no offence.

but playing with reason.... wheres the orionality in that. its like 1,000,000 producers having EXACTLY the same figgin studio setup. Baffles me.

Make your own drumkit. Buy some shitty mikes. Record you and your mates beating each other and sucking dogs off througha boss distortion pedal. get em all to buy a drum machine each - create some ckerazy Bidule/Reaktor setup for your inputs - JAM. Modulate off each other.. like, whatever.

Pre packagded off the shelf shit can suck my cock. If you want your music to be inventive your ways and means had better be too.

Inventiveness comes from the mind. Whatever tool you use to get the job done is almost irelevant.

I`ve heard mindless uncreative shit made in the best analog studios available.
I`ve also heard amazing original creative stuff done with really cheesy bog standard software.
Who cares, it`s the mind that is interesting.

this must be true. anyone can buy the paint, but only the artist can truly paint the picture. the medium is the tool, but it must first come through the mind

[Centurian]

this must be true. anyone can buy the paint, but only the artist can truly paint the picture. the medium is the tool, but it must first come through the mind

Nice analogy.

[The Divide]

no offence.

but playing with reason.... wheres the orionality in that. its like 1,000,000 producers having EXACTLY the same figgin studio setup. Baffles me.

Make your own drumkit. Buy some shitty mikes. Record you and your mates beating each other and sucking dogs off througha boss distortion pedal. get em all to buy a drum machine each - create some ckerazy Bidule/Reaktor setup for your inputs - JAM. Modulate off each other.. like, whatever.

Pre packagded off the shelf shit can suck my cock. If you want your music to be inventive your ways and means had better be too.

Inventiveness comes from the mind. Whatever tool you use to get the job done is almost irelevant.

I`ve heard mindless uncreative shit made in the best analog studios available.
I`ve also heard amazing original creative stuff done with really cheesy bog standard software.
Who cares, it`s the mind that is interesting.

Is this the same dirty bass who just posted that cubase was a stale, and boring and an uncreative environment to work in.

[dirty_bass]

Yes, but then if you use the same pallette of paints again and again, you will get bored and need a change to refresh you.
You world is not black and white.
It`s shades of grey.

[dirty_bass]

stale for me, I`m sure plenty of people get pleasure out of it still. I never said it was stale and uncreative for everyone.

[Jay Pace]

this must be true. anyone can buy the paint, but only the artist can truly paint the picture. the medium is the tool, but it must first come through the mind

Beautifully put. Always envied the latin ability to say things like that and not make it sound like I copied it out of a hallmark greeting card.

Personally, I play the spoons.

Dig my cutlery funk, you sassy ass bitches...

[dan the acid man]

sooooooo last year, im on three sets of forks these days :eyes: :cheer: <<<<hahahaha, wtf is that :lol:

[dirty_bass]

A cheerleader?

[The Divide]

no offence.

but playing with reason.... wheres the orionality in that. its like 1,000,000 producers having EXACTLY the same figgin studio setup. Baffles me.

Make your own drumkit. Buy some shitty mikes. Record you and your mates beating each other and sucking dogs off througha boss distortion pedal. get em all to buy a drum machine each - create some ckerazy Bidule/Reaktor setup for your inputs - JAM. Modulate off each other.. like, whatever.

Pre packagded off the shelf shit can suck my cock. If you want your music to be inventive your ways and means had better be too.

Inventiveness comes from the mind. Whatever tool you use to get the job done is almost irelevant.

I`ve heard mindless uncreative shit made in the best analog studios available.
I`ve also heard amazing original creative stuff done with really cheesy bog standard software.
Who cares, it`s the mind that is interesting.

Is this the same dirty bass who just posted that cubase was a stale, and boring and an uncreative environment to work in.

Okies well what I was trying to say I don’t really agree with what you put there about how the tool used is irrelevant.

Massplanks talking about building your own setup, were it be MAX, Reaktor or whatever. That is inventiveness/creativeness and comes from the mind in itself. That’s going to add/subtract/compliment/ruin the whole creative process and add to whatever it that your making. I fyou master that you could end up building something customized to work in a way which suits you and probably does things you cant do in the conventional sequencer. Thus making the tool relevant imo

Same goes for studios, hardware, etc. I am certain that if I approached a track using purely hardware my overall outcome would be different. Im still going to have the same creative drive, same ideas underneath but the process will be altered. I may be more or less likely to have happy accidents, or do something I havnt dont before. Now that may or may not be positive but it will affect what im doing. That’s why I think its important to have a mixture of everything, hardware software, etc. Then theres the technological aspects on how sounds changed depending on the tool...

taken from the electronic music 411 forum....

the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes within a circuit.
Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I didnt **** write that,I must be going mental!

this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost infinte amount of tiny ways.
and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on the design.

the interaction of different channels and their respective signals with an analogue mixer are very complex,EQ,dynamics....
any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all have their own special complex characteristics and all interact with each other differently and change depending on their routing.
Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort like most pretend synth plugins are.
they should be called PST synths, P for pretend not virtual.

analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre really that interested,you could look it up...good luck.

your soundcard will always make things sound like its come from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far from being totally neutral devices.

all the components of a circuit like resistors and capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones are never EXACTLY the same.

no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually done manually in a lot of analogue shit.
just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808 was an 808 right?
same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is usually quite noticable.


Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think.
for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen.

then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on forever....

im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore...
so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff.

[dirty_bass]

I suppose it all depends how you work.
I already have everything clear in my head, so I just need the quickest method of translation from thought to sound.

However if your production is more a product of serendiptiy then you may need to have more things in front of you to bash and twirl.

Horses for courses, find or make what is comfortable for you, and then use it. There is NO best method.

[dan the acid man]

A cheerleader?

i asked for that didn't i

[dirty_bass]

I`m not sure you asked for it.
But it`s what you got.




Is that what you want?


Cos that`s what`ll appen.

[dan the acid man]

im not sure now, can i phone a friend

[audioinjection]

this must be true. anyone can buy the paint, but only the artist can truly paint the picture. the medium is the tool, but it must first come through the mind

Nice analogy.

very true

so whats better oil based or water based paint :P

[xfive]

this must be true. anyone can buy the paint, but only the artist can truly paint the picture. the medium is the tool, but it must first come through the mind

Nice analogy.

very true

so whats better oil based or water based paint :P

Blood

[Ritzi Lee]

If it is the suit that makes the man,
then it's the techno making the artist.....



pffff!!