Why are we all going minimal?

**tocsin** · 03-01-2006, 07:06 PM

NYC. I've seen no change. Holland still seems pretty dominated by trance and hardstyle with your big gabber party here and there. Haven't seen minimal really influencing that yet. As for Germany, dunno. "The Berlin Sound" walways sounded minimal to me.

**Ritzi Lee** · 04-01-2006, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by tocsin

NYC. I've seen no change. Holland still seems pretty dominated by trance and hardstyle with your big gabber party here and there. Haven't seen minimal really influencing that yet. As for Germany, dunno. "The Berlin Sound" walways sounded minimal to me.

gabber parties are already outdated for 10 years... trance is also something that's not a rage anymore for years.... hardstyle is still going strong.... minimal is the hype now.

really you should come around to europe to check it all out for yourself. there was a lot of changes going on for the last 2 years.

**Akkachar** · 04-01-2006, 12:37 PM

Minimal is gay...

Saw and heard some live work of Reich @ Concertgebouw in Amsterdam, in March he will be playing the piano and violin, quite exciting...

Btw listen to Ritzi he is the goeroe in the Dutch dancescene...

**TechMouse** · 04-01-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Divide

Me personally, I’m finding grime or dubstep much more straight up, innovative and exciting. I don’t have a problem with this as for me its sounding more techno than most techno does as it has a little more than a lazily produced half baked loop. Dont agree? So sue me :lol:

Agree whole heartedly.

The recent Vex'd album had more Techno oomph than 90% of the stuff I've listened to at the record shop lately.

**Akkachar** · 04-01-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by tocsin

NYC. I've seen no change. Holland still seems pretty dominated by trance and hardstyle with your big gabber party here and there. Haven't seen minimal really influencing that yet. As for Germany, dunno. "The Berlin Sound" walways sounded minimal to me.

Holland is dominated by stupid people...

**Miromiric** · 04-01-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Akkachar

Minimal is gay...

Saw and heard some live work of Reich @ Concertgebouw in Amsterdam, in March he will be playing the piano and violin, quite exciting...
.

:eyes:

**Miromiric** · 04-01-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Akkachar

Minimal is gay...

Saw and heard some live work of Reich @ Concertgebouw in Amsterdam, in March he will be playing the piano and violin, quite exciting...
.

:eyes:

which reich`s piece was performed? i saw drumming few months ago and was blown away. its quite spectacular to experience it physically.

**Akkachar** · 04-01-2006, 02:43 PM

They were also performing Drumming it was a 2 hour pianoviolence performance, without him though...

It was sweet...

**DJ Becka** · 04-01-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by tocsin

NYC. I've seen no change.

Where the hell have you been? Ever hear of the Robots parties at Cafe Deville or Canal Room? What about Wolf & Lamb in BK? NYC is overun with minimal hipsters.....WAKE UP!!!!

**Miromiric** · 04-01-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Akkachar

They were also performing Drumming it was a 2 hour pianoviolence performance, without him though...

It was sweet...

and what was he doing in the other show? nodding his head in agreeing?

**tocsin** · 04-01-2006, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Becka

Where the hell have you been? Ever hear of the Robots parties at Cafe Deville or Canal Room? What about Wolf & Lamb in BK? NYC is overun with minimal hipsters.....WAKE UP!!!!

It's always been like that, Becka. Maybe my ears were just open longer. In fact, it's a good reason why don't see me wasting my time with events for such a crowd over, oh, the past 8-9 years. So, as I said, no change.

Ritzi, the last time I was in the Netherlands was about 2 years ago. Masters of Hardcore still seemed to be packing out arenas. Q-Dance had the largest and most populated stage at Mysteryland. Trance was the shit I heard bumping on the radio/television. So, hell, maybe minimal has gotten some more attention. But, I'm just having a hard time swallowing that the successful ID&T norms have taken a backseat to it in sales/popularity there recently.

**SlavikSvensk** · 04-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Akkachar

They were also performing Drumming it was a 2 hour pianoviolence performance, without him though...

It was sweet...

i saw "the cave" live once. not his best, but still very exciting to be there...

**mindbender** · 04-01-2006, 06:55 PM

after reading this topic and all of the replies.....

wow.

nice points Zahn.

I've been enjoying the current evolution of Techno productions, I am going with it right now, making sure to avoid alot of the other crap out there.
I agree with what was said with "just for shits and giggles" statement, I think it opens up an opportunity to be more creative.

**Ritzi Lee** · 04-01-2006, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by tocsin

Ritzi, the last time I was in the Netherlands was about 2 years ago.

Yeah I had a hunch abou that.

Masters of Hardcore still seemed to be packing out arenas. Q-Dance had the largest and most populated stage at Mysteryland.

MOH, Qlubtempo, Qlimax and all those Q-Dance productions all have the same crowd, meaning people who are fans of Q-Dance. It's not really about the music played over there. Q-Dance always attracts a kind of public... The kind that Akkachar really discusts. :eyes:

My personal meaning. The real Gabber scene is allready gone for years. There are no real gabber clubs anymore like the legendary Rotterdam club "Parkzicht". OK 2 years ago ID&T did a Thunderdome reunion party in Amsterdam in October. The place was packed... The funny thing was they did an oldschool hardcore stage and the so called modern hardcore stage. There was a total difference, and also a lot of difference in crowds. You could really see the changes for the past 15 years.

I would say that scene is too focked up to really call it a scene.. It's more hooligans and skinheads now, then people who just want to go to a party to have fun.

Trance was the shit I heard bumping on the radio/television.

The last Amsterdam Dance event this year in october Trance was in minority. I've met a guy from New York who was looking for interesting Dutch Trance artists. He didn't succeed because there where non. OK there was Paul van Dijk and people like Katana. But he already know these people for years, and already boked them because he doesn't know any better... Also Duncan from ID&T made a statement that the big trance DJ's are way over there head now considering themselves as popstars, refusing to play with other more little acts, and only want to play parties for 15000 people and more. . So I wouldn't want to call that a scene anymore. That is also the main reason there are no real trance club nights anymore, because it's all too expensive now.

So, hell, maybe minimal has gotten some more attention. But, I'm just having a hard time swallowing that the successful ID&T norms have taken a backseat to it in sales/popularity there recently.

It's radical times mate. Who knows what will happen next.

**tocsin** · 04-01-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ritzi

MOH, Qlubtempo, Qlimax and all those Q-Dance productions all have the same crowd, meaning people who are fans of
Q-Dance. It's not really about the music played over there. Q-Dance always attracts a kind of public... The kind
that Akkachar really discusts. eyes

Fine. But, are they still moving more units and heads than "minimal?"

My personal meaning. The real Gabber scene is allready gone for years. There are no real gabber clubs anymore like
the legendary Rotterdam club "Parkzicht". OK 2 years ago ID&T did a Thunderdome reunion party in Amsterdam in
October. The place was packed... The funny thing was they did an oldschool hardcore stage and the so called modern
hardcore stage. There was a total difference, and also a lot of difference in crowds. You could really see the
changes for the past 15 years.
I would say that scene is too focked up to really call it a scene.. It's more hooligans and skinheads now, then
people who just want to go to a party to have fun.

Same question as above. I don't want to get into semantics over what people might consider "gabber" so we can just call it "hardcore" instead. Third Movement, Enzyme and Genosha have had no problems quickly running through their presses. Plus, I know the TOA guys play some fairly large "hardcore" parties in the Netherlands still. Minimal techno is selling more units and bringing in greater turnouts?

Seriously, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Not saying it isn't true. But, I want to make sure were using the same measurement.

**Sunil** · 04-01-2006, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by mindbender

"just for shits and giggles"

Can someone explain exactly what this term means please?! The only time I've ever seen or heard it has been in the last week from Dustin :) Does it mean a bit of fun or something?

**SlavikSvensk** · 04-01-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sunil

Originally Posted by mindbender

"just for shits and giggles"

Can someone explain exactly what this term means please?! The only time I've ever seen or heard it has been in the last week from Dustin :) Does it mean a bit of fun or something?

:)

you don't say that? "for shits and giggles" means "just for the hell of it." just for fun or just because you feel like it...like if massplanck did a live PA then overdubbed shred guitar to have a laugh...

**Sunil** · 04-01-2006, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

you don't say that? "for shits and giggles" means "just for the hell of it." just for fun or just because you feel like it...like if massplanck did a live PA then overdubbed shred guitar to have a laugh...

Thanks ;)

Nah, we might say "for the craic" or "for the laugh" or something like that

**mindbender** · 07-01-2006, 05:37 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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