yeah definately, well worded Sunil. It's truely the production, creativity side of it that grabs me. It's not the be all and end all of techno, no specific type of techno is, everything does have its place surely otherwise it wouldnt be around in the first place surely? even stuff like the schranz bootlegs, they are so so wrong to many people, but obviously somewhere these records are going down a treat, and let's be honest the production on 99% of them is nothing short of woeful, where as on nearly all the minimal stuff i listen to the production is really very good indeed, and in places seriously excellent. And yeah with someone as big as Hawtin pretty much devoting his life to pushing it at the moment then it's going to get alot of attention. There is alot more clubby minimal stuff too its not all just bleeps like people seem to think, the We Are records are still quite chunky and quirky and would sound great in the first few hours of a club opening definately