The international view of London techno

[teknorich]

I think it was a set form pure filth, about a year ago, but I could be wrong. Just seemed a bit fast, bouncy, liverly etc in the same vein as hard house, And I have to admit I deleted it. (Sorry Dave!)

[Barely Human]

Why are people even bothing to discuss this? Is anything you say on hear going to change anything in the way of genres and sub genres? Isnt it all just music??

"My techno is not the same as your techno because techno techno came from my mums arse hole, and your techno, which is actually called "techno techno techno", is only played by dj's with Y-Fronts on their heads, inside a very large dishwasher. Oh, and dont get me started on Techno Techno Techno Techno, because no-one overseas gets it because they wernt born in pontyfract. I think thats why it gets pushed in with vocal house because some guy who makes house was born there."

Steady on All, its a discussion forum, people tend to discuss things on them

:lol:

I dont see why this subject winds you up so much when you dont even like much techno. Well not the 'real authentic 100% genuine' techno that only I know understand being illuminated and at the 33rd degree of the society of techno

<rant>
I like a track if i like a track. I tend to like the harder styles of music, so i will always check them out. I dont tend to like loopy rythmic techno, and im not into the oldschool sound. However, i do like some tracks, and i wont dissmiss that style because i dont like a lot of it. And i certainly wont go on an internet forum and argue "where it came from", and how it isnt a vaild sub-genrer of techno. Or how acid techno is detroying the scene and all that shit.

The problem with most dance music, and techno espeicially is that people like a lot of people on here seam to think that discussing it in a derogatory way will make the scene better and somehow boost thier staus in the techno society by acting like they know all about the history and the best parts of the music and shit. Its all bolocks. It almost as if with some people that prooving your right is more important than the actual music. "Its not london techno, its acid techno", "no its not", "yes it is", "well, its from london". Bloody hell, does it really matter. </rant>

[rhythmtech]

[dan the acid man]

well said iq

[The Divide]

Why are people even bothing to discuss this? Is anything you say on hear going to change anything in the way of genres and sub genres? Isnt it all just music??

"My techno is not the same as your techno because techno techno came from my mums arse hole, and your techno, which is actually called "techno techno techno", is only played by dj's with Y-Fronts on their heads, inside a very large dishwasher. Oh, and dont get me started on Techno Techno Techno Techno, because no-one overseas gets it because they wernt born in pontyfract. I think thats why it gets pushed in with vocal house because some guy who makes house was born there."

Steady on All, its a discussion forum, people tend to discuss things on them

:lol:

I dont see why this subject winds you up so much when you dont even like much techno. Well not the 'real authentic 100% genuine' techno that only I know understand being illuminated and at the 33rd degree of the society of techno

<rant>
I like a track if i like a track. I tend to like the harder styles of music, so i will always check them out. I dont tend to like loopy rythmic techno, and im not into the oldschool sound. However, i do like some tracks, and i wont dissmiss that style because i dont like a lot of it. And i certainly wont go on an internet forum and argue "where it came from", and how it isnt a vaild sub-genrer of techno. Or how acid techno is detroying the scene and all that shit.

The problem with most dance music, and techno espeicially is that people like a lot of people on here seam to think that discussing it in a derogatory way will make the scene better and somehow boost thier staus in the techno society by acting like they know all about the history and the best parts of the music and shit. Its all bolocks. It almost as if with some people that prooving your right is more important than the actual music. "Its not london techno, its acid techno", "no its not", "yes it is", "well, its from london". Bloody hell, does it really matter. </rant>

Humans tend to like to pigeon hole things as it makes life simpler, like if saw a flyer for a night and it said on it 'Techno' and I went to find acid djs playing the 303 stuff I would wonder why it didn’t say ‘Acid techno’ on it. Acid techno is just as valid but with it having a different sound I would give it a different label. I wouldn’t exactly say there’s anything derogatory about that, the sky isn’t falling. Its just another way of making life more simpler. I mean we dont call Hardstyle Trance we call it Hardstyle

Back to the 1st post, I would say its not hard dance or techno, it’s a bit of both and I didn’t say the to make my techno willy look big or to wind Q slut up

[Centurian]

Why are people even bothing to discuss this? Is anything you say on hear going to change anything in the way of genres and sub genres? Isnt it all just music??

"My techno is not the same as your techno because techno techno came from my mums arse hole, and your techno, which is actually called "techno techno techno", is only played by dj's with Y-Fronts on their heads, inside a very large dishwasher. Oh, and dont get me started on Techno Techno Techno Techno, because no-one overseas gets it because they wernt born in pontyfract. I think thats why it gets pushed in with vocal house because some guy who makes house was born there."

Steady on All, its a discussion forum, people tend to discuss things on them

:lol:

I dont see why this subject winds you up so much when you dont even like much techno. Well not the 'real authentic 100% genuine' techno that only I know understand being illuminated and at the 33rd degree of the society of techno

<rant>
I like a track if i like a track. I tend to like the harder styles of music, so i will always check them out. I dont tend to like loopy rythmic techno, and im not into the oldschool sound. However, i do like some tracks, and i wont dissmiss that style because i dont like a lot of it. And i certainly wont go on an internet forum and argue "where it came from", and how it isnt a vaild sub-genrer of techno. Or how acid techno is detroying the scene and all that shit.

The problem with most dance music, and techno espeicially is that people like a lot of people on here seam to think that discussing it in a derogatory way will make the scene better and somehow boost thier staus in the techno society by acting like they know all about the history and the best parts of the music and shit. Its all bolocks. It almost as if with some people that prooving your right is more important than the actual music. "Its not london techno, its acid techno", "no its not", "yes it is", "well, its from london". Bloody hell, does it really matter. </rant>

Man, you crack me up :lol:

All true as well!

Can i just say that an arguement was not the attention, more like a discussion on how the industry is segrated in some way and just learning about what other people think about it.

I mean, i am a lover of techno, personally, i'm indiscriminate, i'll quite happily go out and listen to Detroit and have to put up with electro and i'd do the same with the London sound and put up with watever else next door aswell.

Also, i don't think all of the output coming from SUF inparticular is acid techno either, i mean listen to something from Ematic, or SP Groove, is that really all acid techno anyway?
I just see people casting all of the output off as a certain catergory when personally i don't see why, maybe i pay more attention or something, i dunno.

*shrugs*

I guess the reason i brought the subject up is that i'd like to see more varied line ups,something that merges all stables together a bit more. Yes Sth America are up for it, some of Europe too.

Where i see the problem is when the likes of Dave Clarke, or Jeff Mills are never, ever seen on the same bill as D.a.v.e The Drummer or Chris Lib'r, why is that?
It's really annoying tbh, i'd love to see a varied line up with them all on the same bill, it would include much more variation and make a night out much more interesting musically, imo.

Still, i agree, who really cares what you call it, if you like it you like it!

[davethedrummer]

there is no such thing as london techno
it is an abstract concept that has been given a name to help people discuss it in internet forums.
there is no one style or sound of london
it is unfair to class any form of music by location , i´m sure terry mitchell from dark house music , or marco lenzi from molecular or nils hess from eukatech or lawrie pounding grooves or rob stow or jerome hill would agree.

the simple truth with all music is:

if you dont like it...............................go find something you do like.

[Miromiric]

if you dont like it...............................go find something you do like.

or diss the one you dont.

[MARKEG]

or diss the one you dont.

and what a ridiculous waste of effort that is. :devilish:

[Miromiric]

:P

[Centurian]

there is no such thing as london techno
it is an abstract concept that has been given a name to help people discuss it in internet forums.
there is no one style or sound of london
it is unfair to class any form of music by location , i´m sure terry mitchell from dark house music , or marco lenzi from molecular or nils hess from eukatech or lawrie pounding grooves or rob stow or jerome hill would agree.

the simple truth with all music is:

if you dont like it...............................go find something you do like.

So you agree then ;)

[danielmarshall]

I got dragged along to see Judge Jules a few months back and he played a set of pretty much hard percussive techno the entire night with the occational hard trance track. To my surprise I thoroughly enjoyed myself (though the pingers were really potent :P). I'm glad more people are being exposed to underground music, and it's a trend I hope continues. I just wish this sort of thing was going on when I was into trance in the 90s.

[mattboyslim]

[quote="Centurian"][quote="IQ"][quote="The Divide"]

Where i see the problem is when the likes of Dave Clarke, or Jeff Mills are never, ever seen on the same bill as D.a.v.e The Drummer or Chris Lib'r, why is that?
!

they refuse to play alongside 'london techno' jocks. techno politics one might say

[gumpy green]

its all fukin techno...no matter what label you like to call it.....i still class hard house/trance as techno..just really horrible shite techno with the same formula..

[fresh_an_funky_design]

[quote="mattboyslim"][quote="Centurian"][quote="IQ"]

Where i see the problem is when the likes of Dave Clarke, or Jeff Mills are never, ever seen on the same bill as D.a.v.e The Drummer or Chris Lib'r, why is that?
!

they refuse to play alongside 'london techno' jocks. techno politics one might say

i highly doubt that... that'd be the promoters

[mattboyslim]

[quote="fresh_an_funky_design"][quote="mattboyslim"][quote="Centurian"]

Where i see the problem is when the likes of Dave Clarke, or Jeff Mills are never, ever seen on the same bill as D.a.v.e The Drummer or Chris Lib'r, why is that?
!

they refuse to play alongside 'london techno' jocks. techno politics one might say

i highly doubt that... that'd be the promoters

i know promoters who have tried to get dave clarke, jeff mills etc on at events with dave the drummer, chris lib etc.
they refuse to play, even if its in a different room

[RDR]

Another pointless genre policing argument. I prefer the eastern european way of looking at hard electronic dance music...

its all a "Techno paaarrttty!" and just leave it at that.

[RDR]

its all fukin techno...no matter what label you like to call it.....i still class hard house/trance as techno..just really horrible shite techno with the same formula..

it CAN be formulaic.

sometimes it rocks tho. Its the same in every genre of music since the dawn of time. Lots of it is shite, but there are a few tracks that REALLY stand out.

now where's my log drum, im gonna blow the neanderthal scene apart.

[davethedrummer]

[quote="mattboyslim"][quote="fresh_an_funky_design"][quote="mattboyslim"]

Where i see the problem is when the likes of Dave Clarke, or Jeff Mills are never, ever seen on the same bill as D.a.v.e The Drummer or Chris Lib'r, why is that?
!

they refuse to play alongside 'london techno' jocks. techno politics one might say

i highly doubt that... that'd be the promoters

i know promoters who have tried to get dave clarke, jeff mills etc on at events with dave the drummer, chris lib etc.
they refuse to play, even if its in a different room

actually i'm not so sure about that mate.
there was one famous techno dj from germany who at first refused
but once they offered to pay him properly he lightened up ( surprise )
and in fact we've played together a few times and he's always been a gent to me.
so i think it could possibly have been his agent who caused the problem.

anyway i don't think this is really true.
i know there's a stigma around us london free party types , but our scene is really strong right now and guest djs have all come away with good memories when they have played for us.
so thats enough for me.

anyway , i don't particularly want to play alongside mills or dave clark etc etc as the party would have to be in a posh club and the promoters would have their financial asses on the line , meaning i would probably not get paid very well and probably not enjoy myself so much either.

no , i like the way things are , we get the odd guest ( kanzyani , mulero , the youngsters , etc etc ) and these guys are about the right level for our kind of events and the crowd like them too.
the london squat crowd are nowhere near as " acid techno " as people seem to think , they have very broad tastes ranging from deep tech/house right up to hard as **** schranz , basically if you are good at what you do
they'll like it.

and that, my friends, is the way it ought to be.

[Adey]

SUF label, WAHWAH, Skank, Routemaster and that is pretty happy hard dancy to me. Powertools+Hydraulix is mainstream party funk I could take any hard trance fan out to. 4x4 has much more originality. Most stuff I've heard from the SUF crew still panders to a very strict 4/4 bang bang and phrase structure. I guess outside London and the UK - there's alot more experimentation going on and boundaries being pushed with beat structures, sounds and structure - mainly because I think theyre not as norrow minded when it comes to techno. The majority of UK punters just want to hear a formula, neck loads of pills/K and spaz out... not be challenged and hear something different. Imagine that? challenged, techno... ?

Enjoy your bang bang party techno but don't be supprise if the scene gets lumped in with hard dance - Lisa Lashes, BK, Scott Project etc... especially when you get crossover producing with the likes of Anne Savage and an enless push-button formula like RAW.