The international view of London techno

[Centurian]

Ok, i'm sure this has all been done before...

After reading comments on another site that London produced techno is classified around the world as hard dance and not techno, personally, i protest.

To settle the core i thought that this would be the best place i know of on-line to see what the techno people really think.

So what are your views, is London techno just another part of hard dance and doesn't really fall into the techno banner?

Or are these poeple taking away a label of which the London 'techno' artists deserve?

[marginmaster]

sounds like they talkin shite to me

[Centurian]

That's what i thought.

[eyeswithoutaface]

there not talking shite, quite dismissive really that. You have to remember that people abroad probably dont understand the history and heritage behind London Techno. It is techno yes, but its easy to see why its miscontrued as hard dance. Alot of it would benefit from slower bpm's maybe, and alot of it does sound similiar, too similiar infact, probably the main reason why i never got into it really, and alot of the artists do crossover between techno and hardhouse labels and artists, DAVE on Vicious Circle with Glazby etc etc, just depends on where your from and what London Techno means to you personally id say. Someone in say Greece or Bulgaria or what have you probably isnt going to be feeling the london squat, free party vibe so much as say someone living down Brick Lane.

[Centurian]

there not talking shite, quite dismissive really that. You have to remember that people abroad probably dont understand the history and heritage behind London Techno. It is techno yes, but its easy to see why its miscontrued as hard dance. Alot of it would benefit from slower bpm's maybe, and alot of it does sound similiar, too similiar infact, probably the main reason why i never got into it really, and alot of the artists do crossover between techno and hardhouse labels and artists, DAVE on Vicious Circle with Glazby etc etc, just depends on where your from and what London Techno means to you personally id say. Someone in say Greece or Bulgaria or what have you probably isnt going to be feeling the london squat, free party vibe so much as say someone living down Brick Lane.

Yeah, i see what your saying, there is that crossover there, i just think there's so much more output than the crossover tunes. i think it's unfair to paint every record with the same brush (so to speak).

In is spot on

[rhythmtech]

London techno (liberator crew et all) does have a loosly distinct sound to it and i can see why people classify sometimes classify it as hard dance. they both have a similiar driven feel at times. i think its attitude that gives the london sound that driven feel. But production wise they're very dissimler (excluding the xover records).

[dirty_bass]

London Techno doesn`t exist.
There is Acid Techno, which is a london sound, and does have a very distinct sound.
And techno that is made by people in london, which is pretty diverse.
The two are not the same.

[basslinejunkie]

of course its part of hard dance,all techno is if you get what i mean.no such thing as hard dance as a genre imo.

[basslinejunkie]

i mean an individual genre.

[Centurian]

of course its part of hard dance,all techno is if you get what i mean.no such thing as hard dance as a genre imo.

So you're the kind of person that uses 'hardance' as a collective term, that is indiscriminate to what music it is, as long as it bangs. Fair enough i suppose.

The thing is, i see hard dance as a collective term that veirs more towards hard house and hardtrance etc.

And techno (for me) is a collective term for the many subgenres that go below it, ie, acid, minimal, hard, banging, funky, tribal etc etc.

[dan the acid man]

of course its part of hard dance,all techno is if you get what i mean.no such thing as hard dance as a genre imo.

good point, :myagi: < mr myagi is proud

[Centurian]

London techno (liberator crew et all) does have a loosly distinct sound to it and i can see why people classify sometimes classify it as hard dance. they both have a similiar driven feel at times. i think its attitude that gives the london sound that driven feel. But production wise they're very dissimler (excluding the xover records).

Yeah, i see your point.

Although i don't think it's all that dissimilar tbh, the acid techno, yes, it's very established over here, but there's still 303 driven tracks being produced overseas, not quite the same style obviously, but not that far off either.

As for the funkier, harder side of things, i think that's where the similarities are between continents. There's plenty of tracks from all the leading artists around the world (including London) that you could put in a set and keep the flow and theme of the music.

[basslinejunkie]

of course its part of hard dance,all techno is if you get what i mean.no such thing as hard dance as a genre imo.

So you're the kind of person that uses 'hardance' as a collective term, that is indiscriminate to what music it is, as long as it bangs. Fair enough i suppose.

The thing is, i see hard dance as a collective term that veirs more towards hard house and hardtrance etc.

And techno (for me) is a collective term for the many subgenres that go below it, ie, acid, minimal, hard, banging, funky, tribal etc etc.

nah mate thats my point,the term hard dance is always appled too what is,infact either hard house or hard trance,therefore it doesnt exist as an indivadual genre.but the techno i like is usually either hard or dark,so it is hard dance music.not being arsey mate,this is just the way i see things :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

personal use of genre names aside i think its more than fair to say that in the UK hard dance is a term accredited to Hard House/Hard Trance and definately not techno

[BloodStar]

people in my country probably will not know too much about london techno., about its history and tradition. if we talk about uk techno, they will know birmingham, thats for sure + also other artists, but these will be classified as techno artists, no matter where they are based. when it comes to london techno; people who knows liberator crew will classify it as acid techno and no hard dance; i think.
hope this make a sense.

[Buttman]

I dunno what London techno is but I suppose it is that what you talk about on here so often that I have no clue about.. DAVE the Drummer, Liberator etc. Am I correct?

[Si the Sigh]

Yep, I'd say thats what this thread is about, the Liberators, etc, not techno that's produced in London.

[dan the acid man]

personal use of genre names aside i think its more than fair to say that in the UK hard dance is a term accredited to Hard House/Hard Trance and definately not techno

yeah, and for some reason, they always seem to play in big rooms, whatever they are :lol:

[Buttman]

I never heard it but my prejudices say it is mindless bang bang 145BPM music, an English version of Schranz..

[Centurian]

Yep, I'd say thats what this thread is about, the Liberators, etc, not techno that's produced in London.

Well yeah, they obviously have a large role in the discussion, but iv'e tried to keep the discussion as impartial as possible (still gonna say what i think though).

My point is, what do you think of the techno people who listen to something of a more Detroit nature classing the London techno circuit as harddance?

From what i can gather, it's promoters running a hard dance room with a techno room which is what causes people on the international circuit (Detroit etc) to pass off the London sound as hard dance. Which is what i don't really agree with.