mp3's-publicity or piracy part 2

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah, thats a good point, the internet has been the best and possibly the worst thing at the same time for music. The trick is finding a halfway house i think. Without the internet i wouldnt be in the position i am now, so i have alot to thank it for. I dont run a label and never intend to, so i wouldnt feel the pinch of mp3's in that sense. And anyone who wants to steal any of my mp3's should know better, because if they just contacted me id happily send them some high quality mp3's instead of any ripped one's they've found, not that there are many of mine but you get the point, i dont use music as my sole income which i know alot of people do, or certainly try to, and to be honest i think alot of people are a bit niave in this sense. People say "oh but you cant get into production seriously with a full time job" etc etc, which is true to an extent, but hundreds of people manage to work their way around it so im sure others can.

Alot of people need to stop viewing mp3 and the internet as a direct threat and embrace it more, utilise what's on offer and get ready for what's going to be on offer in the future. Ive sorted out my first mp3 release with a label in Spain and im looking forward to it when i finally get the tracks finished after christmas and new year

[Tom @ Religion]

But... like everything in this world. If people can abuse it, and get away with it, they will... until it's all ****ed up. But they won't care, what damage does one person do eh? But it can't be stopped. So I dunno why I'm ranting... *sigh* Talent & innovation should be rewarded.

Good luck with your tracks btw!!

[The Divide]

I think the internet is shaking up a fairly stagment industry, I dont really think piracy abuse has been that influential in the recent decline of sales. I think its down to other factors = changes in consumer behavior, social change, weak releases, saturated market and the dj's who daren’t play something a little obscure than your average 5 min loop

As for the wider commercial music industry (as it was brought up), well more and more people are downloading music legitimately and its growing fast. People have started to disassociate must from a format (2 very different things) and this so called commercial music 'recession' or 'decline in sales' turned out to be **** all in compared to the millions it makes. Go into your local HMV and you’ll see no sign of no recession there, infact from what I have been told sales of music is going up. Its been proven that people who download music actually spent £3-4 a month more than those who don’t download music yet these debates still seem to crop up.

We can go on about how the mp3 raped techno but for me its one of those arguments thats makes little or no sense to me. Do people think the mp3 stopped young people from getting into the scene. I don’t think so yet when I got out these days all I see is old faces. I don’t really believe that people stopped buying records simply because it was on the web as an mp3. Mixes may have had a knock on effect is it much different that going out and buying your annual tape pack as at the end of the day the artist got **** all back then. So for me it would make more sense not to blame the mp3 for anything and just accept the fact that people are changing their ideas, something which I welcome as things were starting to bore my cock off. I am not worried the slightest as music will never die! I just think its about time that people adapted instead of living in the past.

imo

[audioinjection]

what about all the people who arent online? i dont think all techno heads are geeks and they don't browse around online looking for the latest speedy j and liebing sets......people are still putting out mixed cd's and vinyl so there must be some sort of market for that right?

[basslinejunkie]

what about all the people who arent online? i dont think all techno heads are geeks and they don't browse around online looking for the latest speedy j and liebing sets......people are still putting out mixed cd's and vinyl so there must be some sort of market for that right?

lets be honest,virtually every tom,dick an harry has internet access in there house nowadays,and as for cd an vinyl sales,they have decresed dramatically.i dunno about you guys,but i havent brought a mix cd in years....

[danielmarshall]

This is what Chris Liberator has to say about the topic on the inside cover of Set Fire:

"Home taping is killing the music industry. About ****ing time! Tape this off a friend if you can't afford to buy it!"

[danielmarshall]

I might add that I'm quite happy to pay for digital music as long as it's within reasonable finantial bounds. One of the main reasons I quit DJing was that it was simply costing me too much to purchace new vinyl, not to mention finding the records I was after. It used to pain me to have to spend AU$20 for one record for which I only wanted one remix. Getting paid in beer didn't help much either. Whilst I was doing it for the thrill I started to realise that this just wasn't going to work out on my budget.

Now however, it seems that even the smaller record labels are starting to wake up to the idea of digital distribution. The prospect of downloading a track from a web site for a buck or two has seriously got me thinking about buying Live and getting back into it once the industry has grown a bit. Brisbane is slowly becoming more techno orientated too, so maybe I'll get paid in spirits some day!

[rhythmtech]

i can understand why illegal D/Ls are hurting full time artists.. techno sales are hardly gonna sent you double platinum anyway (without the added worry of illegal D/Ls), but for "hobby" producers like myself internet/mp3/p2p etc is the best thing to ever happen. i can get my tracks heard around the world in seconds & i can play them out at gigs without spending stupid amounts on pressings.

i've also basically stopped buying vinyl aswell. i buy mostly mp3 now. vinyl is far too expensive these days. much as i'd love to be able to afford all the latest releases on plastic, i just cant afford to, especially when sites like truelove are selling high quality mp3 for 99p.

[Adey]

The shit dies quicker, the gods rise faster...

I'm loving all the dub plate pressure. boojaka! I did a set last week with tracks completely downloaded off t'internet. fresh, raw and completely legally burnt onto CD'n'whacked into a pair of pioneers.

If you can't make money then you're not good enough to give up the day job or you're living beyond your talent. Simple as that.

If you worry about people pirating then you're as niave as this campaign...


never did, did it!

As for record shops shutting down. boo hoo. That's the nature of hobbiests not coping with changing markets.

[The Divide]

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[Mindful]

Personaly Im hearing more music and am able to share my music with others with so much ease.
So to me the music is getting new energy and its more about the music.
People are not making the mony that they were, well its time to change with what is happening, it is not a god given right to make mony from your music anymore but it now seems that I can hear a tune that some guy who ive never heard of from half way across the world has made an hour ago as easyly as I can acsess DJ big name mctechnos latest tune.

To me thats fukkin great.

I may have a different piont if I ran a label or a shop but I dont.
So as The Divide pionted out Music isnt going to die so its just time to adapt.

[Mindful]

Somthing I forgot to add, my kid nephews fave present today is his mp3 player.
Make what you will out of that.

[massplanck]

Somthing I forgot to add, my kid nephews fave present today is his mp3 player.
Make what you will out of that.

He likes music.

[Mindful]

well yes and the way he wants to hear it is thru mp3s.

Im just trying to piont out that kids are in to mp3s and not records,cds,tapes or minidisk.

[massplanck]

Im just trying to piont out that kids are in to mp3s and not records,cds,tapes or minidisk.

thats coz records,cd's,tapes and minidisks cost money. something kids dont have a lot of. ;)

[Mindful]

perhaps.

If so it just enforces the piont that its possibly time to adapt.

[massplanck]

why? coz kids dont have money for music?

[massplanck]

whens he gonna get his first credit card. then we can talk.

[massplanck]

i dont care really but. lets say he is 13, has his mp3 player and can use soulseek. When do you reckon he's gonna buy his first CD with cash or use his credit card on itunes?

[Komplex]

^ I have cash AND love my mp3 player. Anything I buy, leech off friends or find on the net goes straight into the mp3 player *as long as its good. Sets, tracks, the whole lot.

*if its not good it doesn't get to my mp3 player or listened to even if its there on my hard drive. And if its good and I like it, I play it all the time and make sure I support the artists, especially if it's something I haven't bought already... The more obscure and unknown, the more I try to find it and buy it or get in contact with the artist. Maybe its just me but if someone is doing good shit out there, regardless of their brand/name and position in the scene/industry, they deserve to be supported.

*not good tracks include dozens of g*** w****n's tracks that are sitting on my hard drive (along with a heap of others) that I haven't paid a single cent for cus I wouldn't wipe my arse with them. Basicaly a preview of whether to waste the cash or not :) Altho I have bought quite a few records that were good based on what I've heard off the net. So there you go... And I'm actively looking and waiting for a few voidloss tracks to come out so I can pay, mix them guilt free and support (I've messaged you about it too mate :) )

Massplanck - He won't be buying shit as long as he can get away with not paying for it unless hes a cool and awesome dood.

RE: topic - It's a whole lot of publicity and a whole lot of piracy. Double edged sword and its VERY sharp too.