mp3's-publicity or piracy part 2

[basslinejunkie]

ok,i posted this topic last year i think,and the majority of people said they viewed mp3's as a good tool for promotion.but have your views changed since the explosion of mp3's avalible nowadays?? mine have slightly,i must admit.

maybe its hindering attendancys at events,i mean nowadays you can sit in the confort of your own home an download an listen to virtually any dj you fancy,free of charge.obviously mp3's dont come close to actually being there and witnessing it 1st hand,but il bet alot of ppl think theyl just save the cash an download the set from the night instead.

also just recently ive heard of a few dj's clamping down on there sets being avalible from gigs theyve played,and i can kinda understand why coz of the reason above.

what do you slags think?????

[Miromiric]

i love it. so much music i would not have acces to at all if there were no internet. but since people are so gay, it often comes down to a `who`s father has more mp3s on harddisk` competition. listening to some album once while chatting to some 14yrs old in ICQ chatroom and convincing her that putting bottle up her pussy is OK is not really listening to music.

[JamieBall]

Um..... Interesting point

[holotropik]

Crikey!! Miro, you have a way with words.....eeek!!

This issue is a real fence-sitter. I sometimes like the MP3 thing and other times agree that its prolly preventing the personal connection between artist and listener. Most article I read about this topic do favour the view that its good promotion which equal ticket/CD sales etc. Which makes sense.

The whole issue of less numbers through doors has to do with something else I reckon.

[djshiva]

i have to say networks like slsk and just posting sets online have been invaluable for me in terms of promotion. i do always encourage people to buy the records to keep the companies alive, but i know how much promotion shared mp3s has gotten me, so it's a double-edged sword really.

we have the ability to share music with people who may not have heard it before, which is great, but there are always those who have the money to buy it and don't because they can download it, which sucks.

[teknorich]

I´m all for it personally. There are a lot of Dj´s who I have discovered by simply trawling around the internet and taking people´s recommendations. I would never have listened to them otherwise, as they were total unknowns, but because they had promo sets or live mixes available I downloaded, found I liked it, and thus stuck with that dj in future. As for downloading a set instead of going to the club to save a bit of cash - are you crazy?! I´ve never done that and I never would. Listening to it on my ipod is noting like going to see the dj live in a club. I don´t see that as an issue myself.

Leeching tracks from soulseek is obviously damaging for the artists, as nobody gets paid, but it can also be publicity. Again, I´ve discovered artists by browsing people´s files. If I am d/ling from a guy on soulseek I´ll browse his files to see what else he has, as it is probably similar. Then, if I really like a track, I´ll often end up buying it from beatport etc to get a good quality version. A lot of stuff on soulseek is ripped from vinyl, and the qualtiy sucks!

So yeah, I don´t see that the artists lose a lot form mp3s. They gain free publicity, and also get to reach a wider audience, as people are more likely to try it out if it is free!!

[The Divide]

i love it. so much music i would not have acces to at all if there were no internet. but since people are so gay, it often comes down to a `who`s father has more mp3s on harddisk` competition. listening to some album once while chatting to some 14yrs old in ICQ chatroom and convincing her that putting bottle up her pussy is OK is not really listening to music.

http://www.fat-pie.com/spoilsminus2.htm

[mrbishi]

At the end of the day Mp3 is the best thing that could have happened in dance music you get the likes of Tidy bitching about their sets been uploaded and shared around the net etc but tbh its only helping in promotion for events, dj booking most important of all record sales the number of people who hear a track played out then dl it too in a liveset 6 months before the release date only gets them quizing more about the name of the producer the remixer the track title the label etc, don't get me wrong theres some people who do abuse it.
I don't like the fact you can widley get mp3 vinyl rips of brand new stuff I think it should be left alone but theres myths going round you earn thousands of pounds in a few hours work djing they think you can afford it lol what these people dont realise is not every producer dj's so vinyl and production are their only income - Ahhhh its a hard one to argue so many good point sso many bad, I think the situation should be just left alone like I said the promotion is all free people who can't club due to age restrictions who love the music still get a peice of the scene and are our future, if we cut these peeps out of the loop everything goes to shit

[Jay Pace]

Music, film, tv and everything form of media is going to end up format-free.

Because having to buy a specific device to play a specific format is a pain in the arse.

MP3 is just the start of a bigger movement to end the distribution of media through pieces of plastic.

[stjohn]

i love it. so much music i would not have acces to at all if there were no internet. but since people are so gay, it often comes down to a `who`s father has more mp3s on harddisk` competition. listening to some album once while chatting to some 14yrs old in ICQ chatroom and convincing her that putting bottle up her pussy is OK is not really listening to music.

http://www.fat-pie.com/spoilsminus2.htm

u so crayzee

[MARKEG]

i love it. so much music i would not have acces to at all if there were no internet. but since people are so gay, it often comes down to a `who`s father has more mp3s on harddisk` competition. listening to some album once while chatting to some 14yrs old in ICQ chatroom and convincing her that putting bottle up her pussy is OK is not really listening to music.

http://www.fat-pie.com/spoilsminus2.htm

bloody hell!

:lol:

[audioinjection]

so what the hell were we all doing before there were mp3s? :P

[Jay Pace]

so what the hell were we all doing before there were mp3s? :P

Don't know bout you, but I was stting on my bottle.

[dan the acid man]

i was taking thos bottle back to the corner shop to get my 2 p return money :lol:

[dan the acid man]

http://www.fat-pie.com/spoilsminus2.htm

i thought his salad fingers was weird, but this takes it to another level

[basslinejunkie]

so what the hell were we all doing before there were mp3s? :P

buying more music.thats my point.

[holotropik]

precisely......oh dear!!

So now we have reached this point, what is next? Why are we painted into a corner by a format?? What is next?? What is the road you see that musicians must take next...??

Is it simply now about localised pockets building their own networks their own way and evolving to suit a local environment?? What of the current big money spinners who still get to play and release stuff to the masses?? Are they really making that much money?? or is it just hype in order to make you feel you must have their music in order to feel "part of the movement"??

I avent bought any music for ages. I dont like any of the released stuff and most of the DJ sets let me know whats going on anyway....why pay for stuff I can have for free?? See my point? I like the unreleased stuff because it is closer to the bone and true meaning of what that particular artist is trying to say before it gets watered down to become some mainstream fodder for nuffies who only listen to music when they are farked up on drugs.....

.......all these questions and what ifs. Time will tell I suppose?? If we have enough of that left.

[The Divide]

I dont think it matters too much me personally. If artists are genuine they will struggle to get by if they have to. There was once a time when music had no format and didnt make any money (in ye olde worlde). Perhaps heading back that way

What do you mean by 'if we have enough of that left'?

[The Overfiend]

so what the hell were we all doing before there were mp3s? :P

Going out to frickin clubs when our fave dj/producer came around. Specially here in the states.

[Tom @ Religion]

MP3's are effecting the record industry... there's no way you can say otherwise. Smaller run labels releases have become fewer and further between as it's just too much of a gamble for them. This in turn is changing the scene, as more and more dj/producers hold back and trade their tracks between artists in return for other fresh material.

The whole DJ scene is changing into more of a "produce or die" scenario. I'm not sure if I can say "If you're not producing you're not original" cos you obviously can be, but you get my point.

With MP3's all DJ's should take pride in putting out the best quality sound they can, nothing sounds better than a brand new vinyl, not even a CD. But a lot of DJ's don't care, most are young and probably do it cos they don't have the money etc. I've seen people post sets and then get quizzed about where they got all the unreleased tracks to which they don't answer...

It will never be stopped, people will always want freedom to have/share/copy whatever they like whether it's illegal or not.

IMO the internet is the best and worst thing that ever happened to the music world. It has effected the scene in a bad way, but also helped the smaller sounds spread and a lot of talented new producers get noticed...