I'm talking about proper trophies, not glorified friendlies! You're trying to tell me winning the super cup or charity shield comes anywhere near winning the league? I don't think so! I daresay we got a trophy for winning the Amsterdam tournament, so what? And surely you should remember you won a 2nd Worthless cup under Houllier... The only trophies of any worth you've won in the time we won 2 titles and 3 FA cups, is the CL, FA cup and maybe the Waifer cup... Even if you count the Worthless cups as worthwhile, what we've won is certainly more prestigious overall.