909 vs ?

**danielmarshall** · 15-12-2005, 02:53 AM

I'm of the persuation that drum machines are too expensive for what you get. You can resynthesize the drum sounds in other synths with a bit of work, and that route provides you with more flexibility for sound design. Stuff like rides are very hard to model, and you're better off just sampling them.

No offence, but I have no idea why people tend to use 909 sounds exclusively. It seems so limiting. That's just me though.

**tekara** · 15-12-2005, 03:36 AM

jomox xbase-999 being released later this year

**rounser** · 15-12-2005, 06:55 AM

No offence, but I have no idea why people tend to use 909 sounds exclusively. It seems so limiting. That's just me though.

Purist ideas about synthesis being more legitimate than sampling? Newbies to dance music production seem to be particularly prone to dismiss sampling entirely based on such assumptions before they even work out what synthesis and sampling can and cannot do.

It reminds me a bit of the stock market, where newbies there buy equity exclusively and totally ignore bonds, because all they've heard about is shares in companies.

**alsynthe** · 15-12-2005, 09:38 AM

moogz ive pm'd u that guys email for the drumstation

**moogz** · 15-12-2005, 10:27 AM

nice one alsy - cheers!

daniel - my thoughts are similar. i'm going to try round up a bass drum with fm.
the 909's only partially analogue anyway, like you say dom - there's no point modelling something when you can just use pcm.

agreed rounser, it's best to be informed and balanced.

**loopdon** · 15-12-2005, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by tekara

jomox xbase-999 being released later this year

i know - and it looks interesting. but i don`t feel tempted. i own the xbase 09 but i have not really used it tha much. i am so much more pc based. if i were doing liveacts that would be a different topic alltogether, though. the kix are really really punchy on the xbase :paranoid:

**moogz** · 15-12-2005, 11:16 AM

do you have any stuff online, loopd?

**auditory hallucinations** · 15-12-2005, 12:13 PM

the 909 b/d is fully analog and it packs a mighty punch
the drumstation, deffo try before you buy as it's modelled and doesn't quite have the same thud

**moogz** · 15-12-2005, 12:45 PM

aha... i'd quite like to try one, anyone seen one in turnkey?

i've had a 10 minute crack at FM drums, here's the result:
www.subliminaudio.org.uk/fmdrum.mp3
www.subliminaudio.org.uk/fmdrum2.mp3

i quite like it, this is a first go - so with more work and much tweaking it could be a lot better.
opinions?

**fresh_an_funky_design** · 15-12-2005, 05:59 PM

if you want a hardware drum machine either get an electron machine drum.. very pricey but ****ing amazing, they'll come round to your house and demo it for u as well!

the jamox drum machines are really good and a bit cheaper.

other than that use a sampler and get drum samples as all thecheap drum machines are shit, unless your looking to pay over £300 for a drum machine second hand i wouldnt bother.

**tekara** · 31-01-2006, 07:31 PM

why not just use the drumstation sounds and use the reverse function in your sequencer?
I would also recommend the Jomox Xbase-09, but be warned that it is REALLY buggy. Try programming patterns into a machine that decides to not save your patterns in the banks, and recalling the patterns may result in completely different settings to the ones you had programmed in. The Jomox has an amazing sound engine, but i cant believe Jomox simply ignored the bugs.

If you want the real thing, just suck it up and take the hit; ie: go for the real deal: The 909.
Yes, the sounds are dated and overused to death, but if that is the sound you want, then the 909 will give you everything you need and possibly more. Samples wont cut it. Ask yourself this question: do you want vitamins from a pill or do you want vitamins from a fresh orange? haha ....good luck :)

**loopdon** · 01-02-2006, 12:43 AM

make sure you get the most recent bios chips for the jomox ;)

**tekara** · 01-02-2006, 06:38 PM

hehe yah i installed the latest chips but it still likes to act weird on its own from time to time. The customer service from Jomox was very helpful though. I ended up selling it off on ebay, but i plan on diving in again to get the Jomox Triple 9 when it comes out in March. Maybe i should hold off for a few months to see what kind of user feedbaclk it gets.

I love my 909. But lately ive been wanting to get a compliment with it. Its a toss up between a Machinedrum and the Xbase-999......hmmmmm!

**stjohn** · 03-02-2006, 03:39 PM

the machinedrum has always cxaught my eye. i recently got a korg esx1, which samples, so u can reverse any of the sounds. but i think if i round up a bit of cash ill be straight for the elektron md

**tekara** · 03-02-2006, 08:19 PM

i've heard conflicting reviews about the MD. Many say it sounds cold as hell, but others swear by the sound engine in it.

I think i may suck it up and go for the MD, seeing that i DONT want another 808/909 emulator. I think MD will serve this purpose. Let me know if you do get a chance to get your hands on that, i'll be interested in what u think

**Komplex** · 04-02-2006, 12:02 AM

You might want to check out the korg ES-1... Its a drum machine that you can load samples into and it has 909 style programming so you can jam on it. All you need is a good sample library and you're set.

http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/korg_es1.cfm

a step up is the korg esx but it'll cost you more...

**xfive** · 04-02-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by tekara

i've heard conflicting reviews about the MD. Many say it sounds cold as hell, but others swear by the sound engine in it.

I think i may suck it up and go for the MD, seeing that i DONT want another 808/909 emulator. I think MD will serve this purpose. Let me know if you do get a chance to get your hands on that, i'll be interested in what u think

It takes some time to really figure out how to get things sounding nice.
I've had mine since 2002, and I can say it really comes down to your knowledge of production in general.
The better I got at production, the better I could make it sit in the mix, and sound good.
Not saying you have to be some crazy pro to get good results. All I'm saying is the more time you put into it, the more you get out of it. (I guess that's the same as anything eh haha)

So its really as creative as you can make it.

There's a set by two guys that call themselves Valve.. I will have to dig it up out of my archives. It's just the two of them and two machinedrums. Crazy, crazy shit.

**xfive** · 04-02-2006, 12:35 AM

Ah ha here we go:

http://iterativemusic.com/~chris/valve.mp3

Two machinedrums linked by a midi cable.
No other gear. :techno:

**Ritzi Lee** · 04-02-2006, 08:27 AM

Actually you can have any drum machine. In addition for hard techno to let the drums sound ruff, you need some good hardware compressors.

**loopdon** · 04-02-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by tekara

hehe yah i installed the latest chips but it still likes to act weird on its own from time to time. The customer service from Jomox was very helpful though. I ended up selling it off on ebay, but i plan on diving in again to get the Jomox Triple 9 when it comes out in March. Maybe i should hold off for a few months to see what kind of user feedbaclk it gets.

I love my 909. But lately ive been wanting to get a compliment with it. Its a toss up between a Machinedrum and the Xbase-999......hmmmmm!

tbh, i have the latest chips as well and it does seem to do some freaky stuff from time to time, hehe. sorry, was in a kinda lecture-mode ;)

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