why are some of the bigger uk labels so poor?

[Agent Orange NYC]

intec for example release some really cheesy stuff and call it techno, then they have say it is the best of british ep.
other labels like nova mute have remixes of nitzer eb. maybe they do a nirvana remix next.
why dont they make real techno? are they not real techno labels?
maybe they have no idea what is happening on the techno scene.

It's so amusing/confusing to me when someone says 'real' techno. Intec is not real techno? What do you suppose it is then? Maybe if they over compress all of their tunes, will it become a 'real' techno label then? Or maybe they need to sell less than 700 copies?

If 'too many people like it, it's not real techno! Real Techno is only stuff that's too hard to play in most clubs! haha

[The Divide]

Nights of the Jaguar was a cheesy record
.

Why? Its not as if it was predictable. My idea of cheesy tends to just be something that’s really formulaic, has a really obvious progression. I thought the string section was very clever and the synth was pretty unique. It still had that mechanical feel to it too

btw every heard that acoustic guitar version that’s kicking around? I think its just someone on a guitar, heard it the other day and I was thinking 'this sounds familiar'

[The Divide]

ever*

[Jay Pace]

Pushing an open door with this because I think knights of the jaguar is a cracking track.

However the plinky plonkyness and dramatic strings were too much for some people, and they thought it cheesy.

Some people just find drama in records naff. Especially in dance music.

[tocsin]

The only narrow approach to "techno" is to subdivide into lines that the rest of the world won't understand. Thump - Thump - Thump -Thump pretty much sounds the same to most of those who don't follow scenester crap. And, if we approached it that way, things would likelier be healthier, especially if people dropped stubborn attitudes that clung to inaccessable and outdated technology. It's completely ironic when a "techno" crowd is opposed to advances in technology. Chuck D put it nicely in his last terrordome rant: "if you know a DJ who doesn't know what 'Serato' is ...run from him/her ..."

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[Alan Oldham]

there's nothing really cheesy about "join in the chant", its a classic record and seriously goes off EVERYTIME someone plays it

People going off to a track doesn't make it good, especially if *shudder* GIRLS like it.

[eyeswithoutaface]

of course it makes it good, certainly to an extent. If it was crap its likely it wouldnt get played, never mind get a good reaction, certainly in the club's i prefer to frequent, and certainly at any clubs i play at.

and surely you'd want more girls dancing? the club's up here tend to resemble a sausage fest at the best of times so any girls dancing is fine by me

[massplanck]

Chuck D put it nicely in his last terrordome rant: "if you know a DJ who doesn't know what 'Serato' is ...run from him/her ..."

what is serato?

[mihica]

yeah, what is it?

[Jay Pace]

Its another final scatch thang. Made by Rane, popular stateside with turntablists such as Jazzy Jeff.

[conflict]

intec for example release some really cheesy stuff and call it techno, then they have say it is the best of british ep.
other labels like nova mute have remixes of nitzer eb. maybe they do a nirvana remix next.
why dont they make real techno? are they not real techno labels?
maybe they have no idea what is happening on the techno scene.

hahaha good call man

[Patrick]

Chuck D put it nicely in his last terrordome rant: "if you know a DJ who doesn't know what 'Serato' is ...run from him/her ..."

what is serato?

It's a type pf spanish ham that poncey chefs on the telly use.
I'mr unning away from you now.

[detfella]

And, if we approached it that way, things would likelier be healthier, especially if people dropped stubborn attitudes that clung to inaccessable and outdated technology. It's completely ironic when a "techno" crowd is opposed to advances in technology.

yeah strange of all the music genres techno is in a small group that aspire to using new/future technology and its ideology of space and futurism. unfortunatley only a few techno artists aim towards this objective, the rest seem to focus more on other factors. i'd say the early electronic pioneers from the 50s still sound more futuristic than much of the techno fodder that is released today. there have been a lot of advances in technology in the past decade but i don't see techno being the genre that explores the possibilties..i mean people are still getting excited over a software 303 clone! even disreagarding technology, techno tends to stick to similar structures and production values, i can count on 1 hand the number of tracks released that don't confrom to 4/4. i don't think the crowd is anti-change, the rise in popularity of electronica shows how much people are wanting it. all credit to dirty bass because he sticks his neck on the line and challenges techno's form and there are many other notable artists out there.

i love all forms of techno but for me and like juan atkins once said "techno is just dance music" and its produced to work on the dancefloor. if i want to hear something take me to the otherside of the universe and back, its not very often i'll be listening to techno*

*but there are always exceptions ;)

[danielmarshall]

Since Carl Cox pretty well dictates the direction Intec takes I'm not surprised it's not just a techno label. Although they're admittedly fickle the've certainly released allot of brilliant records. Take Deetron - Alien Entertainment EP for an example.

[davethedrummer]

it just depend what you like innit?
personally i find intec are not too bad , sometimes a bit too melodic
but generally you couldn't really class their output as anything other than techno.

i mean it isn't house , it's not breaks , d+b , trance , hard house etc ...
i reckon it falls squarely into the techno category

it's just that techno is a pretty broad style of music these days
and there's nothing wrong with that.

using the term " real techno " is a bit narrow minded
actually , a LOT , narrow minded

sort it out geezer....maybe go listen to chas and dave for a week
and then put on the latest intec record

THEN you will appreciate it.

[dan the acid man]

dont go dissing chas and dave..............rabbit! rabbit! rabbit! rabbit! rabbit!

[machina]

I really do think think that too many people have a much to narrow idea of what techno is. All the old stuff i.e. the old detroit stuff from the old days is nearly unrecognisable from the hard 'glenn willson' techno, but it IS the definition of techno from a purist point of view. Although if someone made it today the techno kiddies who have no friggin idea who slag it off and say it's cheesy house or something because they are uneducated idiots.

To me, the beauty of techno has always been that is has limitless possibilities - as far as i'm concerned it can encompass all types of music, it's the sum of the parts that makes it techno...

machina

[massplanck]

To me, the beauty of techno has always been that is has limitless possibilities -

Thats cock.


Its very limited.

[massplanck]

electronic music however. ISNT.

[Sunil]

using the term " real techno " is a bit narrow minded
actually , a LOT , narrow minded

Kind of. Sure, there was always cheesy techno that was on the edge of passable/not 'real' techno, but that isn't the shit that gets remembered in techno history, just like much of the Intec stuff for instance. I mean the last good Intec 12" was probably the re-release of that old track by Smith & Selway.

Personally I don't know why we're wasting time even acknowledging or talking about Intec in the techno forum. They're pretty much A Grade shite; take Coxy out of the equation and they'd have little standing. Rumour has it they pay their artists peanuts as well.