famous produers use Reason 2.5?

[tekara]

does anyone know if there are any famous techno producers that use reason 2.5 to make their tracks?

it seems like in all the interviews i have read, everyone is using a typical setup such as a powermac g4 with logic as a sequencer plugged in with hardware and software applications...

i know kanzleramt released an album called Reasons that was strictly produced with the program, and somebody told me adam jay uses it extensively...but im curious if anyone famous also acknowl;edges this piece of software...

thanks

[miromiric.]

miroslav uses reason. isn`t that good enough for you? :?

[massplanck]

does anyone know if there are any famous techno producers that use reason 2.5 to make their tracks?

it seems like in all the interviews i have read, everyone is using a typical setup such as a powermac g4 with logic as a sequencer plugged in with hardware and software applications...

i know kanzleramt released an album called Reasons that was strictly produced with the program, and somebody told me adam jay uses it extensively...but im curious if anyone famous also acknowl;edges this piece of software...

thanks

I'm not sure if he uses it all the time but what the **** was Leandro Gamez doing using a Reason rex preset in that last one he released on phont! no effort to disguise it!" I still love his tracks though :)

[thoughtintruder]

Yea apparently Alexander Kowalski uses reason. Nice interview at steinberg.

http://www.steinberg.net/en/ps/commu...ndex.php?sid=0

[audioinjection]

I love Kowalski's work, he's dope!

[professor]

Reason has a tin-like metallic sound. They've got to be using something along with it...

[Adverse]

hmm i use reason a lot explain this tin sound.. i can get some pretty nice stuff out of reason but i feel it's time to move on from it. just curious professor

[professor]

Adverse-

dunno...the sound is thin...yes, thin. Can't put my fingure on it. It's like when I hear stuff I've made with Reason, it sounds like reason. Maybe it's psycosomatic, but I use Logic now and the sound is about 100% fatter...it really fills the room.

I still rewire reason, or just save loops as .wav and import them into logic, but the samples seem to lack a certain life of their own. Anyone else agree? Maybe just the refills I've used, but i've gott'n loads off the propellerheads website and can't imagine that they are all sh-t.

Then of course it could just be the voices...

[miromiric.]

yep i agree. reason is nice and easy so i too use it in rewire or extract loops from it. but fattness i get from reaktor or sum synth.

[The Divide]

Reason sounding thin! Thats interesting. I too have been convinced this. I just thought it was me/the sounds i was using. I only seen to notice this when its run stand alone. I just thought it was VST eq that was making it sound better.

But then, does it sound thin when rewired? Coz surley its using Logic/VST's digital to analoge conversion/processing then it cant. Or doesnt it work like that?

logics got some realy good Digital to analoge processing in it, it will sound much better.

bt now someone else has said this, then perhaps thats the case. It does seem to sound thin, esp in the mid-highs for me, then again. I have had some realy nice rides/open hi hats coming from it when rewired.

could be psychological?? maybe it sounds thin rewired.

I use reason a lot now, its so quick and easy. i like the way you can just flick the samples on the drum machine with the up and down buttons. All the basic parameters are there infront of you.

Tired running fruity studio as a vsti, it pissed me off coz it kept loosing synch and behaving erratic. Esp when creating a new sampler. Any why the **** do you have to click the stupid fruit botton to get into it. Why not have it in another window??

Reason is solid too, i dont think its ever crashed on me!

Does anyone know of a software drum machine for VST thats as quick and easy to use as Reason's?

[DJZeMig_L]

If u use reason rewired 2 cubase ... each instrument in a dif. audio track then the sound is Ok ... a long time ago some1 posted some tests on reason and fruity and surprisingly enougth reason reprodution isn't really that great (in fact the main reason for not accepting VST/ DX plug or synths is for the great computing going on 2 b able 2 get so many ins/ plug without hogging the CPU that much.. so some corners had 2 b cut) even against fruity... so 4 all these u start getting a feel 4 the particular reason character!!

I was never much of a reason user cause I hate the sequencing on it... it's also 2 much mouse clicks & drags 4 me!

Z

[tekara]

ze Migl,

what would you suggest to use? perhaps Logic or Cubase plugged in with soft and hardware synths?

because i have reason at home right now, and you guys are right, the sounds seem very soft and sweepy....i need something with more of a crunch. any suggestions for a computer-based software studio setup guys?

[Barely Human]

Get yourself a copy of Cubase SX, and get a copy of FL Studio. Then get all the vst's you can. I wouldnt recomend logic for completely software based work, but thats just my personal preferance.

[DJZeMig_L]

humm... I guess what ever workz 4 ya really... I would stick all sample playing inst. with in SX/ Logic enviorment.. well in fact really depends if u like or not the sound of each instrument.. I mean sometimes a little noise or distortion is what gives character 2 yer sound...
So I would probably move 2 a "bigger boy" and get some really good virtual instruments and some exelent plug ins! :)

Z

[Basil Rush]

Played with reason for the first time the other day... sounds like an old digital synth in someways and like a fat analogue monster in others. thinking of using it for getting some rough and interesting sounds out of the malstrom thingi synth ... was quite enjoying playing those but it def has a digital glitchy edge in some places.

[zaalmoetlos]

you can use a program called t-racks to make the sound a bit better but it stays dodgy and reason seems to add a lot of extra (off-key) tones to the tracks you make. Especially when you fill 'm up with many sounds, they just seem to appear out of nothing add a redrum and the irritating sounds just apear in samples allready used and layed out and they weren't before. Furthermore, they almost always turn up when you use the reverb which sounds a bit crap anyway...

does anybody know why this happens and if there's anything you can do about it

cheers

[djTequila]

The reverb in Reason 2.5 is a bit tastier, but I know what you mean by extra frequencies cropping up - there seems to be a problem with harmonic distortion. Also, there does seems to be a 'thinness' to the sound.

Although when I noticed this, I did an a/b with cubase and reason using the same drum samples in Redrum and Battery... The result sounded identical. I think the problem occurs more when layers are stacked on top of eachother - things get very muddy very quickly, and nothing sounds 'big' enough.

Thing is, now I don't like the sound of Cubase. Logic sounds far better to me!

Try burning each layer out as wav and loading them into Cubase or Logic. Use high bit rates and sample frequencies.

Or re-wiring into either sequencer. Cubase is easier to handle for this.

The Reason EQs are shit - no shelf/high pass filters. (Low pass is manageable with the filter unit. Not ideal though.) How are you expected to properly bracket your sounds?

Getting proper EQing on the sounds from Logic or waves EQs will help loads.

Tequila

[DJZeMig_L]

It's all 2 do with the way sound interacts with in itself... adding sounds will create 2 some degree some subtrations and some additions, making it "slightly" different ... test this by adding a few sounds together in a mix and u start 2 notice that there is always a few comon freq. that end up "naturally tweeked"... but this fenomenon is a bit different with in the digital medium and the analog (I would say brutally different)...

has 2 the all Cubase/ logic debate all I can say is that I've heard people rant about each 1 ...

But I'll grant that Logic native eq. is far superior 2 SX (which r absolute cra*).. but then with logic u have 2 add eq just like a plug in .. so they've invested in a poshy few options (lucky bastar** :P )... so I guess we Sx users go 2 SX eq. 4 simple tasks and 4 something like Waves 4 proper work! :)

PS - I wouldn't say Reason has harmonic distortion, that's what u get with valve technol. 4 instance... "harmonic" distortion by definition is sweet sounding sort saturated waves. I would probably risk saying the prob. with reason is more along the lines of quantisation noise... but I could b wrong ...


Z

[djTequila]

I am reliably informed that 'harmonic' distortion is anything that 'distorts' the audio signal by adding in extra harmonic information - new frequencies. This CAN be musical - as in the case of valve technology, where people buy a unit especially FOR the harmonic distortion - or it can be a pain in the arse - like my Gemini mixer with a relatively high level of harmonic distortion, which makes everything sound dirty and less separated.

People pay large amounts of money (like, around a grand for a DJ mixer) to remove this distortion so they can hear all the separate layers in the music clearly - or in the case of producers, put them there cleanly in the first place! I found things much easier to produce when I removed my DJ mixer from my production system. When I then went back to Reason, everything sounded cloudy again.

Think of it this way - if each layer in Reason has a little harmonic distortion and they all stack up, you'll get loads. You don't use a valve unit on every layer in your track separately, do you?

I doubt individual layers in Reason display much in the way of quantization noise - according to the manual, the signal is kept as a floating-point representation throughout the system, until it hits the audio interface. (This is why you can't get the system to clip until that point!) It doesn't sound like quantization noise, either... That's pretty harsh stuff.

I'm saying that, yes, different sounds interact with eachother to create new information as phasing effects create new frequencies and calcel out others... But Reason seems to add *more* mudge to this process than Logic or Cubase.

;)

Try listening to a burned-off wave compared to Reason playing live - I seem to remember things sound sweeter when burned off. Especially if you're pushing the processor when you're making the track. It could be some optimization routine...

Finally, try using a vitalizer - either a plug-in, or get one second-hand. They're cheap now, and (so I'm told) attempt to remove 'wasted' frequencies. Sounds strange to me, but there you go! I've only heard good things about them.

Tequila

[zaalmoetlos]

ok guys thanks a lot for the answers