Hijackin Loops

[massplanck]

meh. i got a bit thick. i was locked. i was a bit mad at this statement though

"on the other hand if you're lucky enough to have the talent and patience to create everything from scratch then fair play."

I'd cut shit from DVD's films etc.. door creakin, cats shittin that kind of shit etc but as far i'm concerned sampling from techno to make techno isnt very techno. k?

[rhythmtech]

meh. i got a bit thick. i was locked. i was a bit mad at this statement though

"on the other hand if you're lucky enough to have the talent and patience to create everything from scratch then fair play."

I'd cut shit from DVD's films etc.. door creakin, cats shittin that kind of shit etc but as far i'm concerned sampling from techno to make techno isnt very techno. k?

y did me saying that make you angry? not every one has got the talent or patience, i know i dont! if i cant make a breakbeat myself, i use other sources and mangle them as best i can. theres no shame in admitting that. thats why i use this forum, to try learn how to do it. ... if i did have the talent i'd have probably had a whole load of releases by now.

[stjohn]

every does have the patience tho....... you just have to sit it out. and you thank yourself for it afterwards man, deffo!!

[stjohn]

you do have the patience though, everyone does, you just have to do it. and if you know youve put the work in youll reap the rewards too, and feel alot better about what you are doin IMO

[stjohn]

****in bleep

[dan the acid man]

you can have alot of fun making loops, just sit down and write a few to listen back to and use when required

[rhythmtech]

what about lifting a groove from someone else? anyone any ideas on that?

[dan the acid man]

how do you mean, like the note patterns

[rhythmtech]

no, the actual groove.. the placement of the notes.
acid pro has a "groove-lift" function - where you lift the groove, keep the swing but put in your own notes.

[dan the acid man]

i've never felt the need to do that, nor would i want to, most of the fun i get out of making my piss poor music is to get my own patterns going

[rhythmtech]

just wondering. its something thats been done for years. a lot of non-electronic producers have done it too. they like a bassline but write their own notes but the note placement is the same.

[module]

k...


what about the latest Bissmire & Bam Bam 12 on 50Hz ? every one of the 5 tracks has a previously used sample.. vocal cuts from old jack records and (most lazy of all) the Rush vocal from Right On Up...

now, by what has been said so far, this is lazy, weak & cheeky.

personally, i was very dissapointed, but what do you guys think ?


to be fair, i did myself use the Rush vocal for ONE live show.. but it was mangled in the track with the start & end loop points being chopped until it was a constant tone.

as for the Ignacio (steve rachmad) track on Music Man, i think its a well placed sample used very well in a great track.. amazing bassline...




again, great input ppl.. lets keep on topic & leave the underwear for 'er indoors ;)

[massplanck]

what about lifting a groove from someone else? anyone any ideas on that?

why dont you want you be youself?

[rhythmtech]

what about lifting a groove from someone else? anyone any ideas on that?

why dont you want you be youself?

what is your problem mate? if you dont want to join in a discussion without dissing people dont bother. i do what i do - you really dont need to concern yourself with why i do anything.

this has nothing to do with being myself. i'm asking a question about a function in a sequencer and if anyone had any ideas on it. how you figured that it means i dont want to be myself, i dont know. you've made it blatantly clear what you think of sampling/looping/whatever, so please leave the rest of us that are enjoying the discussion to it.

[massplanck]

jesus.

I just dont get this whole concept of no patience and 'lifting' & 'hijacking' stuff from someone else buzz. Its a discussion and if you are gonna say stuff like that dont expect people on a discussion forums to agree with everything you say.

*mOST* people here get a buzz out of actually creatings everything from scratch in their heads and with their hands i'd imagine.. Thats not to say samples + wavs from here and there arent used but wouldnt agree with the whole " throwing loops about the place to enhance the overall product is ok in my book"view of yours.

If you want to make subtle rythmns behind a new track of yours why not just sample an old or unfinished track of your own and do your thing with recycle & a low pass filter. Same difference except its all your own.

[rhythmtech]

If you want to make subtle rythmns behind a new track of yours why not just sample an old or unfinished track of your own and do your thing with recycle & a low pass filter. Same difference except its all your own.

i do.

and believe me, i have no problem with people disagreeing with me but "why dont you want to be yourself" is not voicing an opinion and dont get me started on the abuse you came out with earlier. samplers/loop players are there for a reason. if i choose to make use of them thats MY choice and i certainly dont wanna listen to this kinda crap from one narrow minded person because of it.

obviously you have a strong belief in creating "everything" yourself and thats your own choice but to be honest, you're living in a world where sampling is very very commonplace. look at "the streets" "KLF" "primal scream"... jesus, even the verve were at it. The sampler has become an instrument in its own right and used creativly, can be very very effective. i know that if someone used a loop from one of my tracks in a creative way then i'd no longer consider it my loop.

maybe you just view a sampler in a differant way. but please try not to get aggro with me because i choose a differant opinion.

[rhythmtech]

Thats not to say samples + wavs from here and there arent used but wouldnt agree with the whole " throwing loops about the place to enhance the overall product is ok in my book"view of yours.

also, if you're going to quote me please use it within the context it was meant.

in that case i was refering to an ableton dj/live set. ie full tracks/loops from tracks & seperate instrument parts.

its very easy to quote people here while at the same time misrepresenting them.

[massplanck]

If you want to make subtle rythmns behind a new track of yours why not just sample an old or unfinished track of your own and do your thing with recycle & a low pass filter. Same difference except its all your own.

i do.

and believe me, i have no problem with people disagreeing with me but "why dont you want to be yourself" is not voicing an opinion and dont get me started on the abuse you came out with earlier. samplers/loop players are there for a reason. if i choose to make use of them thats MY choice and i certainly dont wanna listen to this kinda crap from one narrow minded person because of it.

obviously you have a strong belief in creating "everything" yourself and thats your own choice but to be honest, you're living in a world where sampling is very very commonplace. look at "the streets" "KLF" "primal scream"... jesus, even the verve were at it. The sampler has become an instrument in its own right and used creativly, can be very very effective. i know that if someone used a loop from one of my tracks in a creative way then i'd no longer consider it my loop.

maybe you just view a sampler in a differant way. but please try not to get aggro with me because i choose a differant opinion.

ok sorry for getting aggro. i'm having my beer-iod due to christmas. ;)

whats the whole point of this argument then? Can we use samples in techno?

If the verve were sampling oasis i'd have a problem.. same goes if goldie started sampling roni size & mark eg started sampling adam beyer. I think sampling techno to make techno isnt very bright. Especially when you dont let people know whose samples/loops they are and how much 'creativity' has gone into it. The verve,klf & primal scream use ONE specfic well known sample per tune\album (usually light years removed from their own sound\genre) and would create a unique song around it & then credit the artist on the sleeve. Do you credit artists? Chances are you could be playing a live gig people would come up and say that sounded great and walk away with knowing that all you did was chop up a few marco lenzi records and filter them. I'm not saying you do this but whose to know if thats your stance?

[massplanck]

Thats not to say samples + wavs from here and there arent used but wouldnt agree with the whole " throwing loops about the place to enhance the overall product is ok in my book"view of yours.

also, if you're going to quote me please use it within the context it was meant.

in that case i was refering to an ableton dj/live set. ie full tracks/loops from tracks & seperate instrument parts.

its very easy to quote people here while at the same time misrepresenting them.

what i quoted means the same as what you said below. except this time you were talking about your own productions. And then you tell us that 'everyone' generally does it.

"every one generally does it. i often rob loops and use them in my own productions. as long as you dont use it in the same context the original track uses and try to disguise it and make it your own, i dont see it as a problem"

i'm not getting think you do have a weird view.

[massplanck]

anyway i fold. i'm off to sample myself.